Debian bug report logs - #947
22 errors in instalation

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From: imurdock@debian.org (Ian Murdock)
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Subject: Re: Bug#947: 22 errors in instalation

   Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 16:41:56 -0400
   From: "James A. Robinson" <jimr@simons-rock.edu>

   > -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       360094 May 21 19:03 elm-2.4pl24-2.deb
   > -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       360094 Apr 11 14:04 elm-2.4pl24-4.deb

   Hmm, old programs should be removed from archive, Ian or Matt???

Old packages are removed from the archive, but I think a few mirrors
are not properly removing a few packages when they are updated.  The
problem may resolve itself in a few days, or we may have to contact
the administrators of the mirror sites on which this is a problem.  I
don't know anything about the mirror program, so I don't know which
will have to happen.

Corey, where did you notice this problem?

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From: Corey Sweeney <corey@interaccess.com>
To: "James A. Robinson" <jimr@simons-rock.edu>
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Subject: Re: Bug#947: 22 errors in instalation 
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On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, James A. Robinson wrote:

> > i could use tee as well, if i had time to install everything a third 
> [...]
> > the point is that it should be on by default during instalation, because 
> 
> Fine, I was just pointing it out in case you didn't know about that
> option.

oh. ok. thanks :)

> > there is no dselect in the root PATH, and the locate command did not turn 
> > one up either.
> 
> Hmm, I think it gets put in /usr/sbin.  You might want to download the
> latest one (v.42??). 

i don't find dselect in /usr/sbin, or the string dsel in the LSM, or on 
sunsite's 00-find.Linux, it appears to be eluding me :)


> > -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       360094 May 21 19:03 elm-2.4pl24-2.deb
> > -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       360094 Apr 11 14:04 elm-2.4pl24-4.deb
> 
> Hmm, old programs should be removed from archive, Ian or Matt???

my fault.  i used a bad mirror of sunsite.  the mirror, appears to get 
files from sunsite, but appears not to delete them, when sunsite does.  
bummer hungh?

Is sunsite the "official ftp site" of debian?  i'll have to get it direct 
from there.



> > i doubt people will be excited if they find out they have to spend all 
> > thier evenings sorting through packages which they don't know what they 
> > do yet, to get it installed.  you can install all of slackware in about 
> 
> Yes, we are working towards this, and since we have not reached that
> point we are still calling it BETA software.  If you have any more
> questions or problems, please ask.

ok :)  (for a moment i thought i was up against a design decision :)


> Jim


	Corey Sweeney

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Subject: Re: Bug#947: 22 errors in instalation 
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   of "Mon, 05 Jun 1995 15:02:22 CDT." <Pine.BSI.3.91.950605142401.4181A-100000@psycfrnd.interaccess.com> 
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 16:41:56 -0400
From: "James A. Robinson" <jimr@simons-rock.edu>

> i could use tee as well, if i had time to install everything a third 
[...]
> the point is that it should be on by default during instalation, because 

Fine, I was just pointing it out in case you didn't know about that
option.

> there is no dselect in the root PATH, and the locate command did not turn 
> one up either.

Hmm, I think it gets put in /usr/sbin.  You might want to download the
latest one (v.42??). 

> dselect will be something like this right?:
> [line-oriented comments deleted]
> and if it dosn't do something like that... then is every user expected to 
> know the conflicts between every package by heart?

No, it is a full-screen curses based installation program.

> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       360094 May 21 19:03 elm-2.4pl24-2.deb
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       360094 Apr 11 14:04 elm-2.4pl24-4.deb

Hmm, old programs should be removed from archive, Ian or Matt???


> i doubt people will be excited if they find out they have to spend all 
> thier evenings sorting through packages which they don't know what they 
> do yet, to get it installed.  you can install all of slackware in about 
> 15 muinites (of people time).  for debian to get used by the masses, it 
> should be able to do the same. (note: i already know that slackware is 
> broken, it would be nice to have some of the slackware features though)

Yes, we are working towards this, and since we have not reached that
point we are still calling it BETA software.  If you have any more
questions or problems, please ask.


Jim

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From: Corey Sweeney <corey@interaccess.com>
To: "James A. Robinson" <jimr@simons-rock.edu>
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Subject: Re: Bug#947: 22 errors in instalation 
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On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, James A. Robinson wrote:

> Note that you can run the program "script" to save everything that
> appears on your screen (by default, to a file called typescript).
i could use tee as well, if i had time to install everything a third 
time, just to get the error message, then a fourth time to fix it.

the point is that it should be on by default during instalation, because 
that's where half the problems are going to come from, and i'm sure 
you'd like to see what it actually said on the screen, rather then 
someones flakey memory, trying to describe what's on the screen.

> Also, the entire debian archive should *not* be installed in one fell
> swoop, as some packages conflict with other packages (smail
> vs. sendmail, etc.).  There is a program called dselect which can tell
> you about proper dependencies/conflicts.  Ian J., is dselect up to a
> proper install?  I haven't had time to check it out myself.

there is no dselect in the root PATH, and the locate command did not turn 
one up either.

dselect will be something like this right?:

% dselect /mnt/deb/binary
/mnt/deb/binary/mail/sendmail-8.6.10-5.deb conflicts with
/mnt/deb/binary/mail/smail-3.1.29.1-11.deb.  get rid of one.
% rm /mnt/deb/binary/mail/smail-3.1.29.1-11.deb

and if it dosn't do something like that... then is every user expected to 
know the conflicts between every package by heart?

hmm, it apears that more then one version of each program resides in that 
directory.  (explaining why i had to configure everything twice ;)

-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       360094 May 21 19:03 elm-2.4pl24-2.deb
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       360094 Apr 11 14:04 elm-2.4pl24-4.deb

if it would take to long to write a program that can find conflicts 
between packages, then i would suggest that a one.shot.binary directory 
be put on the ftp sites, that just have symbolic links to the latest 
versions of everything that don't conflict, and the "prefered version" or 
a marker, saying "get one of the two" where packages conflict.

i doubt people will be excited if they find out they have to spend all 
thier evenings sorting through packages which they don't know what they 
do yet, to get it installed.  you can install all of slackware in about 
15 muinites (of people time).  for debian to get used by the masses, it 
should be able to do the same. (note: i already know that slackware is 
broken, it would be nice to have some of the slackware features though)

> Jim

	Corey Sweeney

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Subject: Re: Bug#947: 22 errors in instalation 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 05 Jun 1995 14:30:00 -0400."
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From: "Michael K. Johnson" <johnsonm@nigel.vnet.net>


"James A. Robinson" writes:
>vs. sendmail, etc.).  There is a program called dselect which can tell
>you about proper dependencies/conflicts.  Ian J., is dselect up to a
>proper install?  I haven't had time to check it out myself.

I tried to use it when I installed saturday, but it was
absolutely unusable, at least from a human-computer interface
point of view.  Actually, I now recall that it also failed
assertions regularly.  I couldn't figure out how to work it at
all, and after quite a few tries, I resorted to using dpkg.

I *did* notice that I couldn't use dpkg --install <packages>
and then later do dpkg --configure --auto; it wouldn't
complain, but <packages> would not be configured. I did not
attempt to investigate, since I was most interested in simply
getting my system up and running again quickly.  Instead, I
simply called dpkg --configure with the packages listed in the
correct order, and they were then properly configured.

The version of dselect I have is from dpkg 0.93.38, and may or
may not reflect the state of the art in the dselect world.

michaelkjohnson

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Subject: Re: Bug#947: 22 errors in instalation 
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   of "Mon, 05 Jun 1995 13:00:26 CDT." <Pine.BSI.3.91.950605125039.29812B@psycfrnd.interaccess.com> 
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 14:30:00 -0400
From: "James A. Robinson" <jimr@simons-rock.edu>


Note that you can run the program "script" to save everything that
appears on your screen (by default, to a file called typescript).
Also, the entire debian archive should *not* be installed in one fell
swoop, as some packages conflict with other packages (smail
vs. sendmail, etc.).  There is a program called dselect which can tell
you about proper dependencies/conflicts.  Ian J., is dselect up to a
proper install?  I haven't had time to check it out myself.


Jim

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Subject: 22 errors in instalation
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Package: Xfig & 11 other programs
Version: Lastest version on sunsite

i just downloaded the entire .93R5 from sunsite & mirrors, then used the 
base disks, to format a partition, then install the base disks on that 
partition, then reboot, and mount my drive with the debian stuff on it in 
/mnt, then use use the dpkg program to install everything with the 
--install --auto options

like:

dpkg --install --auto /mnt/deb/binary


it failed saying "too many errors", the last one being Xfig, which said 
it had a dependancy problem. (it was looking for Xpm for X11R6 i believe).

this has repeated twice (i reformated, and re-installed twice with the 
same results), and therefor should be easily repeatable for you too.


i'm suggesting that someone who knows what they are doing, format a 
partition, and install everything as found on sunsite, and find what is 
wrong with each of the 22 packages.

(note, this is not detailed as i want, due to a the fact that there is no 
log file (and the mouse driver is not loaded at that time).  I put the 
absence of a log file in as a seperate bug report.)


(note the second time i did this, i removed "base" from the binary 
directory ;)



	Corey Sweeney