Debian bug report logs - #429
named bugs
Package: bind; Reported by: streeter@cae.wisc.edu; 127 days old.
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Bruce Perens writes ("Re: Bug#429: named bugs"):
> Ian Jackson:
> > We need a scheme for allocating these numbers more sensibly, perhaps
> > based on the attached message Tim Morley sent me some time ago ...
>
> We are in transition back to the System V rc file scheme.
> [ much detail deleted to save space ]
That sounds good. However, ...
> [...]
> Symbolic links to these scripts are placed in the rc[0-6].d
> directories. The names of the links are of the form
> [SK][0-9][0-9]name . [...] The two-digit number after the name is
> used to determine the order in which various things in the same
> directory are run relative to each other. The "K" scripts are run
> before the "S" ones.
... we still need a way to allocate the numbers in these directories.
Does Tim Morley's scheme still make sense ? I think it does.
IMO this is a nice example of one of the kind of things that should go
in appendices to the Guidelines (together with things like the notes I
wrote for mail program maintainers).
Ian M: Can we have a directory on the FTP site for this, so that the
maintainers of these appendices can upload them and have them stored
near the Guidelines ?
Ian.
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Bruce Perens writes ("Re: Bug#429: named bugs"):
> Ian Jackson:
> > We need a scheme for allocating these numbers more sensibly, perhaps
> > based on the attached message Tim Morley sent me some time ago ...
>
> We are in transition back to the System V rc file scheme.
> [ much detail deleted to save space ]
That sounds good. However, ...
> [...]
> Symbolic links to these scripts are placed in the rc[0-6].d
> directories. The names of the links are of the form
> [SK][0-9][0-9]name . [...] The two-digit number after the name is
> used to determine the order in which various things in the same
> directory are run relative to each other. The "K" scripts are run
> before the "S" ones.
... we still need a way to allocate the numbers in these directories.
Does Tim Morley's scheme still make sense ? I think it does.
IMO this is a nice example of one of the kind of things that should go
in appendices to the Guidelines (together with things like the notes I
wrote for mail program maintainers).
Ian M: Can we have a directory on the FTP site for this, so that the
maintainers of these appendices can upload them and have them stored
near the Guidelines ?
Ian.
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iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
Subject: Re: Bug#429: named bugs
Ian Jackson:
> We need a scheme for allocating these numbers more sensibly, perhaps
> based on the attached message Tim Morley sent me some time ago ...
We are in transition back to the System V rc file scheme. In this
scheme, there are 6 directories of the form /etc/rc[0-6].d , and a
directory /etc/init.d . All rc scripts live in /etc/init.d .
The scripts are written to be invoked with argv[1] set to "start" or
"stop", so that the same script mounts NFS filesystems at boot time, and
unmounts them when the system shuts down.
Symbolic links to these scripts are placed in the rc[0-6].d directories.
The names of the links are of the form [SK][0-9][0-9]name . When the system
boots single-user, all of the scripts that have links in rc0.d are run.
When it goes multi-user, all of the scripts in rc2.d are run. If the link
starts with "S", the script will be run with argv[1] set to "start". If it
starts with "K" it'll be run with argv[1] set to "stop". The two-digit
number after the name is used to determine the order in which various things
in the same directory are run relative to each other. The "K" scripts are
run before the "S" ones.
The run levels are:
0 right after system boot
1 available for the user
2 when going multi-user
3 available for the user
4 available for the user
5 available for the user
6 when shutting down the system
Scripts that are to run when we go to run-level 2 should go in /etc/rc2.d ,
and so on.
For more information on this, see the files themselves, the sysvinit
manual pages, and /usr/doc/examples/sysvinit .
For now, all of the files in /etc/rc.misc will continue to run because
/etc/rc2.d/S20old-rc runs them. Eventually all of the packages should
be converted to place their rc scripts in /etc/init.d and rc[0-6].d, and
then we can flush /etc/rc.misc . It should stay around for several months,
at least.
Thanks
Bruce
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Ian Jackson:
> We need a scheme for allocating these numbers more sensibly, perhaps
> based on the attached message Tim Morley sent me some time ago ...
We are in transition back to the System V rc file scheme. In this
scheme, there are 6 directories of the form /etc/rc[0-6].d , and a
directory /etc/init.d . All rc scripts live in /etc/init.d .
The scripts are written to be invoked with argv[1] set to "start" or
"stop", so that the same script mounts NFS filesystems at boot time, and
unmounts them when the system shuts down.
Symbolic links to these scripts are placed in the rc[0-6].d directories.
The names of the links are of the form [SK][0-9][0-9]name . When the system
boots single-user, all of the scripts that have links in rc0.d are run.
When it goes multi-user, all of the scripts in rc2.d are run. If the link
starts with "S", the script will be run with argv[1] set to "start". If it
starts with "K" it'll be run with argv[1] set to "stop". The two-digit
number after the name is used to determine the order in which various things
in the same directory are run relative to each other. The "K" scripts are
run before the "S" ones.
The run levels are:
0 right after system boot
1 available for the user
2 when going multi-user
3 available for the user
4 available for the user
5 available for the user
6 when shutting down the system
Scripts that are to run when we go to run-level 2 should go in /etc/rc2.d ,
and so on.
For more information on this, see the files themselves, the sysvinit
manual pages, and /usr/doc/examples/sysvinit .
For now, all of the files in /etc/rc.misc will continue to run because
/etc/rc2.d/S20old-rc runs them. Eventually all of the packages should
be converted to place their rc scripts in /etc/init.d and rc[0-6].d, and
then we can flush /etc/rc.misc . It should stay around for several months,
at least.
Thanks
Bruce
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From: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
To: debian-bugs@pixar.com (Debian buglist)
Subject: Re: Bug#429: named bugs
Carl Streeter writes ("Bug#429: named bugs"):
> [...]
> First, it seems that my mountd problem is directly related to name service not
> being active when mountd started. The /etc/rc on this machine was from 0.93R1,
> and still used find to run the scripts in rc.misc. named got started second,
> and this led to problems most notably with NFS, but also with LPD. I therefore
> think that named's startup file should be named '0named'. I don't have any
> other way for this machine to resolve names (no hostfile), and really don't
> want one. That's the point of DNS, right?
Umm, obviously named needs to start before nfsd, but calling it
`0named' is gross overkill - it will probably get it started before
syslogd and perhaps before /usr has been mounted !
We need a scheme for allocating these numbers more sensibly, perhaps
based on the attached message Tim Morley sent me some time ago ...
Ian.
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From: tim@derwent.co.uk (Tim Morley)
To: iwj@cam-orl.co.uk,iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk
Subject: RC file numbering.
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 14:22 BST
[I've sent this to both of your addresses I didn't know which would be
most appropriate...]
I've had a look at all the stuff you sent me, and I've tried to
seperate things into a reasonable set of catagories, can you have a
look at this and let me know you opinions about it.
Tim
Suggested number breakdown.
0-19 Local resourses initalised
20-39 Networks initialized
Remote filesystems mounted
40-59 'System' deamons (sendmail lpd etc)
60-79 'User' deamons (selection, databases etc)
80-99 Anything else (eg xdm)
Current things done by rc files, seperated into sections
0-19
mount root read only
fsck all the file systems
remount root
Minor system clean ups
# Remove /etc/mtab*, /etc/nologin and /var/adm/utmp
/bin/rm -f /etc/mtab* /etc/nologin /var/adm/utmp
mount local
swapon
Set clock
setserial
clean up ptys
20-39
hostname
ifconfig
route
routed
named
mount nfs filesytsem
rwhod |
inetd |
portmap |Sould this lot go in the next section????
mountd |
nfsd |
40-59
syslog
accton
quota
sendmail
lpd
cron
60-79
Wipe /tmp (preserve edit files first!)
clean up lock files
Debian Special Iinstallion stuff
80-99
news server
reset motd
selection
xdm
Hmm there is one thing left over from the set of rc files you sent me,
and I'm not sure where it should go. Its the setting of the console
fonts/keyboard maps. From the paths this appears the need /usr
avaliable, but it should really go in the first section.
In a sense the stuff in the first section (0-19) is going to end up
being the stuff that is avaiable and run for root in an emergency, I
feel it would be very useful to have at least the keyboard mapping
setup. For English/US its not too bad, but I expect things could be
very awkward for some of the stranger interneational keyboards.
What do you think??
Tim
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Carl Streeter writes ("Bug#429: named bugs"):
> [...]
> First, it seems that my mountd problem is directly related to name service not
> being active when mountd started. The /etc/rc on this machine was from 0.93R1,
> and still used find to run the scripts in rc.misc. named got started second,
> and this led to problems most notably with NFS, but also with LPD. I therefore
> think that named's startup file should be named '0named'. I don't have any
> other way for this machine to resolve names (no hostfile), and really don't
> want one. That's the point of DNS, right?
Umm, obviously named needs to start before nfsd, but calling it
`0named' is gross overkill - it will probably get it started before
syslogd and perhaps before /usr has been mounted !
We need a scheme for allocating these numbers more sensibly, perhaps
based on the attached message Tim Morley sent me some time ago ...
Ian.
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From: tim@derwent.co.uk (Tim Morley)
To: iwj@cam-orl.co.uk,iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk
Subject: RC file numbering.
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 14:22 BST
[I've sent this to both of your addresses I didn't know which would be
most appropriate...]
I've had a look at all the stuff you sent me, and I've tried to
seperate things into a reasonable set of catagories, can you have a
look at this and let me know you opinions about it.
Tim
Suggested number breakdown.
0-19 Local resourses initalised
20-39 Networks initialized
Remote filesystems mounted
40-59 'System' deamons (sendmail lpd etc)
60-79 'User' deamons (selection, databases etc)
80-99 Anything else (eg xdm)
Current things done by rc files, seperated into sections
0-19
mount root read only
fsck all the file systems
remount root
Minor system clean ups
# Remove /etc/mtab*, /etc/nologin and /var/adm/utmp
/bin/rm -f /etc/mtab* /etc/nologin /var/adm/utmp
mount local
swapon
Set clock
setserial
clean up ptys
20-39
hostname
ifconfig
route
routed
named
mount nfs filesytsem
rwhod |
inetd |
portmap |Sould this lot go in the next section????
mountd |
nfsd |
40-59
syslog
accton
quota
sendmail
lpd
cron
60-79
Wipe /tmp (preserve edit files first!)
clean up lock files
Debian Special Iinstallion stuff
80-99
news server
reset motd
selection
xdm
Hmm there is one thing left over from the set of rc files you sent me,
and I'm not sure where it should go. Its the setting of the console
fonts/keyboard maps. From the paths this appears the need /usr
avaliable, but it should really go in the first section.
In a sense the stuff in the first section (0-19) is going to end up
being the stuff that is avaiable and run for root in an emergency, I
feel it would be very useful to have at least the keyboard mapping
setup. For English/US its not too bad, but I expect things could be
very awkward for some of the stranger interneational keyboards.
What do you think??
Tim
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Subject: named bugs
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I have a couple of problems with named.
First, it seems that my mountd problem is directly related to name service not
being active when mountd started. The /etc/rc on this machine was from 0.93R1,
and still used find to run the scripts in rc.misc. named got started second,
and this led to problems most notably with NFS, but also with LPD. I therefore
think that named's startup file should be named '0named'. I don't have any
other way for this machine to resolve names (no hostfile), and really don't
want one. That's the point of DNS, right?
I have also been seeing WAY too much debugging info when starting named as
'named'. I should have to use a '-d' flag. It throws up status info when
I start it, and a bunch into my logs when It starts or is killed.
Was this enabled at compile time? Perhaps this should be turned off.
'named -d0' didn't seem to help, but I haven't seen this with any other
versions of named I've used.
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I have a couple of problems with named.
First, it seems that my mountd problem is directly related to name service not
being active when mountd started. The /etc/rc on this machine was from 0.93R1,
and still used find to run the scripts in rc.misc. named got started second,
and this led to problems most notably with NFS, but also with LPD. I therefore
think that named's startup file should be named '0named'. I don't have any
other way for this machine to resolve names (no hostfile), and really don't
want one. That's the point of DNS, right?
I have also been seeing WAY too much debugging info when starting named as
'named'. I should have to use a '-d' flag. It throws up status info when
I start it, and a bunch into my logs when It starts or is killed.
Was this enabled at compile time? Perhaps this should be turned off.
'named -d0' didn't seem to help, but I haven't seen this with any other
versions of named I've used.
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streeter@cae.wisc.edu | ignorance in action" --Goethe
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