GUS Daily Digest            Wed, 20 Oct 93  0:07 MDT     Volume 7: Issue  19  

Today's Topics:
		  *** WARNING *** : DIGEST SPLIT & NEW ADDRESS ALERT
						2nd reality ans gus/sb
		   DIGEST ADMIN: Why not a newsgroup?  Here's why!
						FAQs for the New Users
							  Game MODs
					   GUS and UMC motherboards
							 GUS vs PAS16
						  GUS with EISA ????
				  I've edited the messages today...
						LOL & digitised sound?
							Memory upgrade
				  My name no longer in Gravis DBASE
							  newsgroups
						  SC2 and Privateer
							Second Reality
								 SF2
							  Silverball
					Ultrasound Daily Digest V7 #18
							Windows driver

Standard Info:
	- Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest.
	- Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 16:12:03 -0600 (CDT)
From: ddebry@grue.dsd.ES.COM (Dave DeBry)
Subject: *** WARNING *** : DIGEST SPLIT & NEW ADDRESS ALERT

	READ THIS WHOLE MESSAGE CAREFULLY!  I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO
ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AGAIN!

	There is no such thing as the Ultrasound Daily Digest anymore.

	The Ultrasound Daily Digest has been replaced with the GUS
Daily Digest (I'm trying to get these all commonly named, so bear with
me).  This list is for general discussions about the GUS, including
(but not limited to) troubleshooting, installation, working with games
and other software, etc.  Here are the addresses:

	gus-general@dsd.es.com      To post to the digest
	gus-general-request@dsd.es.com  Subscribe, unsubscribe, files, etc.
	gus-general-owner@dsd.es.com    Use this if the automated request
					line fails.

	I have moved the SDK list.  This list is for discussion on
programming the GUS.  Here are the new addresses:

	gus-sdk@dsd.es.com      To post to the digest
	gus-sdk-request@dsd.es.com  Subscribe, unsubscribe, files, etc.
	gus-sdk-owner@dsd.es.com    Use this if the automated request
					line fails.

	I have created a GUS Musician's digest.  This list is for the
discussion of writing and performing music with the GUS, as well as
any software or hardware related topics.  Here are the addresses:

	gus-music@dsd.es.com        To post to the digest
	gus-music-request@dsd.es.com    Subscribe, unsubscribe, files, etc.
	gus-music-owner@dsd.es.com  Use this if the automated request
					line fails.

	If you were subscribed to the Ultrasound Daily Digest, you are
now subscribed to the GUS Daily Digest.

	If you were subscribed to the SDK Digest, you still are.

	NO ONE has been subscribed to the Musician's Digest.  You must
use the music request server to do this.

	Also, the directory hierarchy on archive.epas has been changed
to reflect these lists:

% ls /pub/pc/ultrasound/digest
general/        music/          sdk/

	The files originally in /pub/pc/ultrasound/digest have been
moved into /pub/pc/ultrasound/digest/general.

	The files originally in /pub/pc/ultrasound/sdk-digest have
been moved into /pub/pc/ultrasound/digest/sdk.

	The music digests will be placed into
/pub/pc/ultrasound/digest/music, in the same method they are in the
other directories, including the "daily" file.  This will start as
soon as the Musician's Digest starts getting messages.

-- 
Dave  ddebry@ debry@   \ 
DeBry dsd.    peruvian. | "Great googly moogly!"
	  es.     cs.utah.  |
	  com     edu      /  

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 12:42:02 +0100
From: Morten AAsnes <ip085@brems.ii.uib.no>
Subject: 2nd reality ans gus/sb

Hi !

I own an 16Mhz 386 SX with an Tseng ET4000 , GUS with 768 Kb , and an Sound Blaster 2.0 
The whole demo runs (a bit slow tough :-) but my problem is this:
The music playes way to slow when I use the gus !!
And it playes corect when I use th SB ! I even removed my SB from my machine but the gus still played the music to slow (and i mean realy slow !)

Any help would be apreciated !!

 - Morten N. Aasnes   ip085@ii.uib.no

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 16:49:00 -0600 (CDT)
From: ddebry@grue.dsd.ES.COM (Dave DeBry)
Subject: DIGEST ADMIN: Why not a newsgroup?  Here's why!

	A few people have mentioned moving this whole thing over to a
USENET newsgroup.  Others have said keep the digest running, AND make
a newsgroup.  

	As administrator of the list, I'd like to say why we should
NOT have a GUS newsgroup:

	1] After only a few days of discussion, changes were made to
this set of GUS digests.  If we were a USENET group, any such changes
would take AT LEAST 6 weeks, if not much more, provided we were in the
comp... hierarchy.

	1a] If we were in the alt... hierarchy, changes would happen
much faster, but FAR fewer people would be able to read the groups.

	2] Most of the people who read this digest don't have access
to the USENET news feed.  Creating a newsgroup would be useless to
them, unless the digest gatewayed the news messages.

	2a] The site where I'm running these digests has a horrible
newsfeed.  (I don't read my news here.)  If I gatewayed the digest to
the feed, we'd be dropping messages like something very heavy in a
large amount of gravity (yes, I am bad at metaphors... want to make
something of it? :).

	2b] Gatewaying the newsfeed is a waste of bandwidth.  Not only
does a message go out on USENET (which most of the time is a HUGE
waste of bandwidth by itself), but it then gets copied into mail, sent
out, archived in several places... etc., etc., ad nauseum.

	2c] I don't even want to try to set up the gateway software.
I'm busy enough as is, and that code is pretty ugly.

	3] You SHOULD NOT create a new group in USENET for every
different piece of software, hardware, every musical group and TV
show, or every person that is out there.  USENET is meant to be a
general hierarchy.  Extremely specific discussions (as I consider the
GUS threads to be) should be encouraged to be kept to mailing lists,
IRC, and other such limited methods.  This is to conserve bandwidth,
keep conversations topical, and other various and sundry important
axioms to follow when you are in danger of being inundated by a giant
flow of data.   

-- 
Dave  ddebry@ debry@   \ 
DeBry dsd.    peruvian. | "A jar of eyes can be a tasty treat."
	  es.     cs.utah.  |
	  com     edu      /  

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 18:25:30 -0600 (CDT)
From: ddebry@grue.dsd.ES.COM (Dave DeBry)
Subject: FAQs for the New Users

	I have modified the MailServ code to automatically send the
FAQ to new subscribers.  If they actually read it, this will cut down
on traffic immensely.

	This only applies to subscribers to the GUS Daily Digest.  I
figure the readers of the GUS Musician's Digest and Programmer's
Digest already know enough to get the FAQ.

	At least, that's what I'm hoping. :)

-- 
Dave  ddebry@ debry@   \
DeBry dsd.    peruvian. | Regnant populi. (The people rule.)
	  es.     cs.utah.  | Pregnant ropuli. (The snake will soon lay eggs.)
	  com     edu      /

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 08:40:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phat H Tran <ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Game MODs

> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 7:18:47 PDT
> From: mikebat@netcom.com (Mike Batchelor)
> Subject: Re: Games that play MOD files
> 
> Hmm, this is an interesting comment.  A friend gave me his older copy of
> Star Control 2, the release that came out before it had GUS support.  I
> played it with SBOS 2.08 and SBOS 1.20 and all the mods played without a
> hitch, in fact, it sounds as good as the later version with GUS support!
>

That's because StarCon2 doesn't work with SBOS.  It always detects the
Ultrasound and goes into GUS mode, not SB mode.  You might be able to 
force the game to use SBOS by the /s:blaster (?).

Phat.

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 10:36:30 +1000
From: David Vu <ccdvu@cc.uq.oz.au>
Subject: GUS and UMC motherboards

At last, I am going to put a new motherboard in my machine.  One of 
the mbs I am considering has the UMC chipset.  According to
the FAQ, some motherboards with Opti and UMC chipset have a
faulty 16 bit DMA controller.

What is the best way to detect this faulty motherboard?  I don't want
to find out it doesn't work with my GUS after I have taken it home.

Does anyone have any program, any suggestion?  I know the chip in
question would be the 82c206 but I don't know which batch is bad.
I might bring along QAPlus and Checkit but I don't think these programs
can detect it.  The shop may have a 16 bit sound card, so the best thing
would be to get the salesman to put one in the computer and
get him to playback a 16bit digital sample.

Help!

-David-

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 13:59:57 +1000
From: s2119192@cs.unsw.oz.au (Steen John Andersson)
Subject: GUS vs PAS16

I think this subject is a complete JOKE!!  I hadn't listened to a PAS16 until
yesterday, when I installed it for a friend. I couldn't believe how poor the
sound quality was - at everything.

SB EMULATION - SHIT SHIT SHIT . I played Alone In The Dark. I expected better
compatiblity than the GUS, therefore more acurate sound. However, the digitised
samples were tinny and rough, the adlib sound was like a C64 of 10 years ago, and the game was not any smother than on the GUS. AND THIS WAS THROUGH A GREAT 
STEREO SYSTEM.

As comparison, the GUS digitised sounds of the floor creaking were crystal 
clear, and atmospheric. And the Gus adlib was great!

MOD music: This was worse than SHIT. Of course we must remember that the GUS
is outstanding at playing MOD music. Combining the software mixing with a FM 
DAC resulted in a tiny, crap sound with no bass. THE GUS RULES SUPREME.

MIDI: THIS WAS THE MOST LAUGHABLE OF ALL !!!!  The midi sounded exactly like a 
glorified ADLIB, YES ADLIB. Of course, I know they both use the same techniques
but with 16bits to work with, maybe they could have done a better job.



GAME COMPATABILITY: Pretty equal to the GUS. Believe it or not we couldn't get
FLASHBACK to work at all on the PAS. I got this game working fine on my GUS.

I'm a GUS owner who has found the GUS very compatable. SBOS works for all my 
games, and believe me I have a lot. 

The worst thing is that the PAS16 costs an enormous amount of money here in 
Australia. The PAS16 - not even glorified SB - sells for $399-$499 depending
on how dumb the computer retailer is. Compared to the GUS which sells for 
a mere $269. I wouldn't pay more than $140 dollars for a PAS16 -  come to 
think of it I wouldn't pay JACK for a PAS16. 

NOTICE TO ALL GUS USERS: We are all very spoilt by our GUS'. We are used to 
excellent quality sound from all applications, so when you hear a alternative
sound Card, try not to laugh to loud. ;-)

Thanks GRAVIS 

Steen 
University of NSW
Australia

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:17:12 +0100 (MET)
From: Geir Johannessen <joge@alkymi.unit.no>
Subject: GUS with EISA ????

I am planning to buy a Compaq 486/33M with Eisa.

Will the GUS work with this machine?


I am grateful for any reply you can give me by mail or the digest.


Geir

-- 
Geir Johannessen                         joge@stud.unit.no
Stud.techn.

I am the creator of the NEWS group alt.kill.the.whales! :)

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 16:33:32 -0600 (CDT)
From: ddebry@grue.dsd.ES.COM (Dave DeBry)
Subject: I've edited the messages today...

	I've edited the messages for today's digest.  This is because
a lot of them were still talking about whether to split the digest or
not, and this is now a moot point.  I have removed any messages along
this thread.

	No, this isn't censorship, it's bandwidth preservation.

-- 
Dave  ddebry@ debry@   \ 
DeBry dsd.    peruvian. | "Deduct the carrots from your pay,
	  es.     cs.utah.  |  You worthless swampy fool."
	  com     edu      /  

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 02:50:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Stephen N Clawson" <c-csn@math.utah.edu>
Subject: LOL & digitised sound?

	 I just got Lands of Lore, and while the music through ultramid is
pretty amazing, I was wondering if there is any chance that digitised
sound will be supported?  Of course I just assumed that that would be
the case, since Dune II works fine with it...  The docs to the 'patch'
someone made said they were trying to get it to work, anyone know if
there's a chance in hell?  

steve

-- 
// stephen clawson              sclawson@peruvian.utah.edu
// university of utah                   c-csn@cayley.math.utah.edu

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 10:43:48 EDT
From: Cliff Addy <raddy@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Subject: Memory upgrade

I've just purchased a GUS and am looking to upgrade to 1MB.  In the box was
an offer to upgrade to 512k for $15.  I presume this means I can go to 1M
for $45.

However, in light of what's in the FAQ, this price seems somewhat high.  Is
there something special to this I don't see?  How long of a wait am I looking
at?  I guess what I'm really asking is what's the email addresss of the
person to ask????  I see a couple of folks at Gravis posting here, but not sure
if that's really the ones to ask.

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 02:54:32 +1000
From: adriano ennio raiola <adrianr@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU>
Subject: My name no longer in Gravis DBASE

I am wondering why my name, which appeared in the older gravdbas.zip database
listing (as ADRIAN RAILOLA  VICTORIA  436) no longer appears in the new
database listing just released. I DID receive my update disks with the may
issue, but Im concerned over my name no longer appearing on the dbase.

Does this mean I wont be receiving any more things in the mail from Gravis?

If anyone from Gravis (or anywhere) else knows an answer to this, could
they please email and alleviate my fears!

Thanks
Adrian Raiola
adrianr@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 21:41:00 PDT
From: n4zfd!frodo@rylos.n2idf.ampr.org ("James M. Blakely")
Subject: newsgroups

Someone asked why not create a newsgroup rather than splitting the digests 
 -- the answer is simple -- everyone on the Internet is not part of Usenet, 
and would not be able to participate in a newsgroup.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 10:53:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: gt5543b@prism.gatech.edu (Antonio C. Rodriguez)
Subject: SC2 and Privateer

>  Has anybody listened to SC2 on a real SB? 

I've played both the old Starcon 2 and the updated one with an SB(Pro)
and had no problems with it like the wierd sound mix up I've had with the
GUS.  I've also had a program that extracted the MOD's out of SC2 and
wrote them all to separate MOD files.  When played with Gusmod, they came
out just fine.  Could be some problem with digital sound+MOD.

> I am the owner of a Gravis Ultrasound card. 
> My problem is I cannot get it to function correctly with the new Electronic
> Arts / Origin production "Privateer"

I use SBOS 2.08 and that works with both music and speech but like the
problem I had with X-Wing, there's a delay when firing that would make it
impossible to fight.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 13:27:54 EDT
From: "David Penick" <penick@vnet.IBM.COM>
Subject: Second Reality

Although some people have complained about the Second Reality demo
by Future Crew being slow on their 386/33, I thought I'd let everyone
know that I ran it on my 386sx/16 with only a few minor glitches.  I
didn't get it right away because I thought it wouldn't work well, but it
was definitely worth it!

David

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 10:02:11 CST
From: Jason Bottjen <ST32764@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU>
Subject: SF2

Hey, has anyone gotten the digital voice to work on Street Fighter 2??
I've tried all I can think of with SBOS and still haven't gotten it to
work. Any help would be appreciated!!

Jason Bottjen

P.S. Does anyone with this game know how to get it going a decent speed?
I have a 386 DX40 and the game is just BARELY playable in my opinion..

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 13:29:25 +1000
From: s2119192@cs.unsw.oz.au (Steen John Andersson)
Subject: Silverball

Hi everyone, I believe that Silverball is a full Commercial game. It should be 
availible from your local computer game supplier. 
Features:
- great mod tunes

- 4 pinball tables - each very different
- tables larger than the screen, with very smooth scrolling, looks like a 
good demo writers effort to me!
- a different song for each table
- the best ball movement I have seen in a computer pinball game.
- great bumper sounds through the GUS
- Soundblaster and SB pro support too, but they sound like shit compared to
the GUS's mod routines
- full stereo

- EXCELLENT GAMEPLAY AND VERY ADDICTIVE, the most important quality of a game!


ALL THESE ADD UP TO A GREAT GAME
A MUST BUY!!

Thanks, and keep on GUS'n
Steen

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Date: 19 Oct 93 07:30:00 PST
From: EBULALACAO@CSUPomona.Edu
Subject: Re: Ultrasound Daily Digest V7 #18

Silverball is retail.  It's the best pinball game I've ever played on the PC.   I have my GUS hooked up to a cheap Fisher surround sound amplifier with four
speakers, and the thing kills!!!  The surround sound effects were awesome!  
The music plays on the front speakers, while the effects on the rear...if
only I had a better set of speakers...(sigh)

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 10:50:03 EDT
From: Cliff Addy <raddy@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Subject: Windows driver

I'm having a problem with GUS under MS Windows.  Each time I start Windows,
I have no sound.  I have to go to the Control Panel and open the GUS driver.
Not change anything, mind you, *just* open it and close it again and I have
sound.  Since I only leave Windows once every few weeks, it's no real pain,
just curious.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 21:22:33 -0400
From: stan@io.org

A few GUS things:

1)  I have Kings Quest 6 CD.  I run this from windows and when I am in one
screen and music is playing, I go into another screen and the music changes.
Thats fine, but sometimes some music (1 instrument) is still played from
the previous screen.  Anyone experience this?

2)  With Return to Zork CD.  This has really nice sound.  However, when I
enter the old mill I keep getting a 'divide zero' error message in the
top left screen and the game stops.  I remember getting this when I tried to
play King's Quest CD without loading the patches (load1024).  So I imagine
that this is the same type of thing.  Anyone have this problem?  I switched
to Mega-Em and Soundblaster (I also have a SPRO) and don't have this error.
Any suggestions?

I am running 486DX2/66 with ATI Ultra Plus 2meg, Dos v6.0, 386Max v7.0, Gus
with v2.06L disks, and 1meg on the GUS.

Also, where are my bonus disks?  The database said they sent it Sept 22/23.
Its been one month and no disks.  Geez.. I am just a few provinces away!
Whats the holdup?

Thanks for your time.

stan

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