GUS Daily Digest            Tue, 6 Dec 94  9:37 PST      Volume 17: Issue   6 

Today's Topics:
						  353 install disks
					   a (adding memory to GUS)
							   ail 3.0
					comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.gus
						Digest Problems Fixed!
							  DRAM chips
					  DRAM chips with bent legs.
				  Gravis adress in the Netherlands?
						 Gravis OS/2 drivers
				  Greetings from Howling Dog Systems
						 GUS 3D game on epas?
				   GUS Daily Digest V17 #5 (9 msgs)
						  Gus disks - Oldies
								 help
							   Indycar
							 Magic Carpet
					Master of Magic by Microprose
					  Midisoft Recording session
					  os/2 in gus and others...
							   OS2 Warp
					   Pins on GUS Memory DIPs
							Rebel Assault
				  Rebel Assault - ps. And Sam&Max CD
						   USNF and Megaem
						  Versions of GUS?!
						Windows drivers + Myst

Standard Info:
	- Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest.
	- Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ.

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:03:52 +0100 (MET)
From: BlackFunk <black@xs4all.nl>
Subject: 353 install disks

Can someone tell me what the differences are between the 3.53 and the 
3.56 install disksets.


Secondly, I have a problem with the 3.53 install. I unzipped each of the 
6 zip-files to a separate disks and started the installation from disk 
1. But after reading all the info from disk 1 and asking for disk 2 I 
popped in the second disk. And the install program didn't recognize the 
disk as being disk 2. And I haven't got the faintest idea what I'm doing 
wrong.

If anyone can help me, please mail me.

Thanks!
Peace
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 13:43:02 MST
From: tschmidt@pefs1.micron.com (Tom Schmidt)
Subject: Re: a (adding memory to GUS)

In reply to Brandon Balliett's posting in yesterday's digest, he questioned
whether it was OK to use the Goldstar DRAM chips that he got from his uncle
to expand the memory on his GUS from 256KB to 1MB.  He said that he had
to bend the leads inward to get them to fit.

This is very common.  Most all sockets are slightly narrower than the leads
on the DIP packages.  In the case of 256Kx4 DRAMs that the GUS uses, the
part comes in a 300mil DIP package.  The specs on the lead spacing is
315 to 330 mils at the top, and 330 to 380 mils at the bottom.  Most sockets
are set to accept the DIB parts with a 330 mil spacing, so the leads must be
bent inward such that they are perpendicular to the body of the part in
order to be inserted in the socket.  The easiest way to do this is to just
push down on the part against a table top while holding the body perpendicular
to the table surface, bending all leads on one side evenly at the same time.
Repeat for the other side.

I am not sure of the exact reason that they are specified this way.  It
probably is done this way to work best with automatic insertion equipment
used to assemble PC boards.

Also, in case you are wondering, a mil is 1/1000 of an inch.

_____      ___     Tom L. Schmidt, Manager, Component Characterization
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  |  |        \    Boise, ID  USA  83709-9698
  |  |____\___/    tschmidt@pefs1.micron.com

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 19:49:05 MET
From: Broderdue <iqivar@hp1.cbs.dk>
Subject: ail 3.0

Cool that the drivers worked with PGAGolf, but I did not make them
work with Warcraft using the method mentioned in yesterdays digest.

	\////
	|. .|
	( - )   Broderdue

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Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 10:31:10 -0600
From: ron.b@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Ron Blancarte)
Subject: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.gus

I know that this is a bogus group, but I was wondering what ever happened to
the proposal someone made to getting this made into a usable group?  I would
really like to see this become a normal group.

RonB

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:02:24 GMT
From: csfb1!csfp.co.uk!pcunnell@uunet.uu.net (Paul Cunnell)
Subject: Re: Digest Problems Fixed!

On Dec 4, 11:32, GUS Musician's Server wrote:

> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:56:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: Vince - IE - Experimental Mail Server Admin Acct <mailserv@ucs.orst.edu>
> Subject: Digest Problems Fixed!
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
>   Hopefully the Digest problem is fixed once and for all 
[...]
>                               Cheers,
>                          Vince

Might it not be a good idea to fix the digestifier to filter out any 
submissions containing the Digest header text?
i.e.

"GUS Musician's Digest       Sun, 4 Dec 94 11:32 PST      Volume 11: Issue   4 
"
"Today's Topics:

If any such 'suspect' entries were forwarded to the digest admin, then
that would identify any 'rogue' subscriptions quickly, without bothering
everyone on the list.

Paul.

--
Paul Cunnell CSFB FOS (csfp.co.uk!pcunnell@fir.fbc.com) +44 71 516 2946

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Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 11:12:07 GMT
From: Clarke Brunt <CLARKE@lsl.co.uk>
Subject: DRAM chips

>Ok.. so I open up my computer and I plug one in, BUT the 
>little metal thingers [legs on DRAM chips] were too wide for the 
>slot...  me and my friend BENT the leads inward.. and they fit.

Assuming that you didn't have to bend them by a *huge* amount, then
I think it's just the way they are. They seem to be manufactured with
the legs rather splayed, but to fit the sockets the legs on either
side have to be essentially parallel.

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:16:35 -0600 (CST)
From: clarkb@netstar.com (Clark Bremer)
Subject: DRAM chips with bent legs.

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 08:59:22 -0700 (MST)
> From: Brandon Balliett <zero@ramp.com>
> Subject: a
> 
> Hi, I just bought a gus yesterday.. and well, I think it was probly the 
> best 120 bucks of I have spent in a LONG time.  It came with 256k.. and 
> well, everyone here knows what kind of dead end that got me in.  Anyhow, 
> my uncle gave me 9 goldstar DRAM chips.  I searched around, and 
> eventually found them.  Just to make sure they were the right ones, I 
> checked the gus faq, and matched the chips EXACT model number with the 
> one in the faq.  Ok.. so I open up my computer and I plug one in, BUT the 
> little metal thingers (Oh yes.. I'm technical) were to wide for the 
> slot.  Now this didn't make sense.. the faq said I had the write model, 
> but they didn't fit.  Determined to pay my internet bill rather than 
> spend 30 bucks on DRAM, me and my friend BENT the leads inward.. and they 
> fit.  Seeing this could really screw something up.. i only popped in half 
> a meg.  Well.. it detected it, and EVERYTHING worked right.  So now I 
> have a whole meg.. anything I should be careful of?  Everything works out 
> all right.. but the chips wern't inserted quite right.  Oh, anyone know 
> what the 16-bit DMA's will do for me as opposed to the 8-bit ones?  
> Thanks alot..

The bent leads are COMPLETLEY NORMAL.  They come from the factory that way
so they will work correctly in a standard manufacturing process (as opposed
to hand-insertion into a socket.  If they're inserted into holes on a circuit
board by a machine, the bent legs 'spring' back out, and hold the chip in
place for the solder-flow process (wouldn't want 'em to float away, now,
would we?).  As long as all the legs went into the socket, and you 
didn't put 'em in backwards, your stylin'.  Sounds like you got it exactly 
right.  Keep on gussin'.  CB.

-- 
===========================================================================
		  _  _               Clark Bremer     clarkb@netstar.com
		 /  /_)              Software Engineer, NetStar Inc.
		 \_/__)              10250 Valley View Road  MPLS, MN 55344

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:00:07 +0100 (MET)
From: BlackFunk <black@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Gravis adress in the Netherlands?

[ACan one of the good souls of Ultrasound please either post on the digest 
or mail to me personally the adress of Gravis here in the Netherlands.


Thanks
Peace
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:57:04 -0800
From: iim1bah%maxvax.dnet@iim.ups.com (NIGHT RYDER)
Subject: Re: Gravis OS/2 drivers

> The truth is we are working on both and although I do not know where you got
> the information that they where going to be ready last month, the fact is
> that the OS2 beta are on schedule and due to be released end of this month
> and Megaem well that one I don't know when. It is being worked on and many
> features being added, but quality software (drivers) does take time and we
> will not release any drivers before their time..

> Thnx for the inquiry
> gravistech@aol.com
> Advanced Gravis Technology
>
Yeah I just don't know where these rumors get started :). I found the following
while looking through some of the old digests.

> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 01:36:21 EDT
> From: AdvGravis@aol.com
> Subject: Re: #1(2) GUS Daily Digest V0 #2
> 
> The OS/2 drivers will be released this year (hopefully be end of 
November). 
> 
> Protected mode MegaEm will be released around the same time (before the
> middle of December).
> 
> Bryan
> 
Bruce Harris - iim1bah@iim.ups.com

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Date: 06 Dec 94 10:20:26 EST
From: "Eric Bell, Howling Dog Systems" <71333.2166@compuserve.com>
Subject: Greetings from Howling Dog Systems
Message-ID: <941206152025_71333.2166_DHQ45-4@CompuServe.COM>

Greetings from Howling Dog Systems, makers of the Power Chords MIDI
composition and sequencing program bundled with the UltraSound and UltraSound
MAX.

Hi y'all, I thought the digest was dead. I haven't received anything since the
summer. I've re-subscribed to the general, and music, digests, so I hope to
join the party once again.

Eric Bell, Howling Dog Systems

Here's the latest from Howling Dog Systems, the first, and foremost support of
UltraSound music:

Howling Dog Systems Ships Digital Sound Products
 -----------------------------------------------

KANATA, ON, CANADA 1994 DEC 1 -- Howling Dog Systems has announced two new
digital sound products, the Howling Dog Systems UltraSound Power Patch CD-ROM
priced at $99.95 and the 8 Alien Sounds that Ate Manhattan, priced at $10.00.
Both products are compatible with the Advanced Gravis UltraSound and
UltraSound MAX sound cards.

The Power Patch CD-ROM is a treasure trove of over 750 sampled instrument,
drum and sound effect patches for the UltraSound card. Since the UltraSound
card stores its samples in RAM, users can replace or add instrument and drum
sounds at will from the collection. Included on the CD are many drum kits,
ethnic and unusual instrument sounds, variations of the stock General MIDI
sounds, popular analog synthesizers, sound effects and much more.

"The UltraSound ships with 5 megabytes of sampled instruments. Users are very
excited at the prospect of have another 40 megabytes of sounds at their
disposal." said Eric Bell, Top Dog at Howling Dog Systems.

There are a total of 10 sets of sounds on the Power Patch CD-ROM. Individual
sets are available on diskette for $29.95 US.

The 8 Alien Sounds That Ate Manhattan package is a collection of 8 50's
B-Movie sound effect patches, and a fully orchestrated multimedia soundtrack
employing those sounds. "We wanted to show people how much fun they can have
by exploiting their UltraSound card's sample based design. They get some cool
samples, an entertaining demo, and the opportunity to play producer by using
the sounds as they see fit.", said Eric Bell.

The plot line of the 8 Alien Sounds That Ate Manhattan revolves around an
invasion of the city by a race of alien dogs. A special playback-only version
of Howling Dog Systems' Power Chords Pro MIDI composition package is used to
play back the multimedia soundtrack and is included.

Both products are shipping now. 

Contact: Eric Bell, Howling Dog Systems, tel 613-599-7927, fax 613-599-7926
71333.2166@compuserve.com

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:51:42 -0500
From: adu@freenet.vcu.edu (Andrew Du)
Subject: GUS 3D game on epas?

Someone told me that there was a game on
archive.epas.utoronto.ca that supported GUS 3D sound.  Does
anyone know the name of that file?

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:18:46 EST
From: Phil Longstaff <phill@dnbf01.bram.cdx.mot.com>
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #5

> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 18:55:51 -0500
> From: GravisTech@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Drivers,USNF,Flooding
> 
> Seth Delackner  wrote:
> >>First, I'd like to hear something from Gravis about the new >>Megaem,os/2
> drivers,etc that were ALL due out last month, and >>whether or not they WILL
> be out this month.  If they are coming, >>could you please show us some
> f**king proof that you guys have >>something? Say, a public beta? If not,
> could you guys stop lying >>and tell us the truth?
> 
> The truth is we are working on both and although I do not know where you got
> the information that they where going to be ready last month, the fact is
> that the OS2 beta are on schedule and due to be released end of this month
> and Megaem well that one I don't know when. It is being worked on and many
> features being added, but quality software (drivers) does take time and we
> will not release any drivers before their time..
> 
> Thnx for the inquiry
> gravistech@aol.com
> Advanced Gravis Technology

Where did we get that information?

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:55 -0500
From: DANTONIO@PROCESS.COM (Momentary Language, Sexual Situations)
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #5

>Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 18:55:51 -0500
>From: GravisTech@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Drivers,USNF,Flooding

>The truth is we are working on both and although I do not know where you got
>the information that they where going to be ready last month, the fact is
>that the OS2 beta are on schedule and due to be released end of this month
>and Megaem well that one I don't know when. It is being worked on and many
>features being added, but quality software (drivers) does take time and we
>will not release any drivers before their time..

This info (Nov release date for the OS/2 drivers) was posted in a previous
digest (I think it was one of those "Jus to let you know" postings).

I assume that the OS/2 drivers will be bloody awesome, given how long we've been
waiting. I AT LEAST like to see a list of what is supported by these (mythical)
drivers...

DDA

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:56:48 -0600 (CST)
From: John Patrick Lestrade <lestrade@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #5

> 
> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 08:59:22 -0700 (MST)
> From: Brandon Balliett <zero@ramp.com>
> 
> but they didn't fit.  Determined to pay my internet bill rather than 
> spend 30 bucks on DRAM, me and my friend BENT the leads inward.. and they 
> fit.  Seeing this could really screw something up.. i only popped in half 
> a meg.  Well.. it detected it, and EVERYTHING worked right.  So now I 
> have a whole meg.. anything I should be careful of?  Everything works out 
> all right.. but the chips wern't inserted quite right.  Oh, anyone know 

It is not clear what you mean.  ALL dram chips (should) have their legs 
spread out wider than the socket holes when you hold the chip above the 
socket. Then you insert one side first and with a slight sideways 
pressure, you squeeze the legs together and insert the remaining side. 
This insures a tight fit. ...if it works.... :-)

> > Subject: GUS / OS2 warp....
> 
> I suggest Advanced Gravis to concentrate on making reliable driver
> on Win32 platforms rather than wasting their energe and time.
> ihm
> 

 ..look, Beavis, another Butthead ...:-)  Go ahead Gravis, waste your 
energe (sic).... We want Warp drivers.

--
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 15:01 -0500
From: DANTONIO@PROCESS.COM (Momentary Language, Sexual Situations)
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #5

>Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 18:18:29 -0600 (CST)
>From: cosc19v2 <cosc19v2@Menudo.UH.EDU>
>Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #3


>I don't want to start OS wars here, but forget Warp, if have less than
>8M bytes.  I have 386/25 with 8 M bytes, but its interactive response
>was so slow ( I mean when you move mouse to other windows and click buttons,
> ..etc.) - and I was not even running any applications.

For someone who isn't trying to start an OS war, you're making some blazing
generalities here. Just because YOU had some problems with an 8MB system,
doesn't mean the rest of the world will. If you check the relevant newsgroups,
you'll find plenty o' people with 8MB systems that like WARP just fine, thank
you.

I tried the Windows95 Beta on a 16MB system. It wouldn't even BOOT, let alone
run. WARP, in contrast, had no problems. Since Windows95 is still in beta, I'd
like Gravis to concentrate on making reliable drivers for AVAILABLE platforms.

DDA

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Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 20:34 +0000 (WET)
From: "Fran the Man..." <FCROSSEN@ccvax.ucd.ie>
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #5

>I don't want to start OS wars here, but forget Warp, if have less than

Well, I think you may have...  ;-)

>8M bytes.  I have 386/25 with 8 M bytes, but its interactive response
>was so slow ( I mean when you move mouse to other windows and click buttons,
> ..etc.) - and I was not even running any applications.

There are two things that'll help the 386/40:  One is the higher clock
speed, and secondly is the memory cache.  Having said that, while the
chip performance should be fine for OS/2 ( approx. = 486/25 ), if you want
to run multimedia in Warp, you should definitely go for 8Mb RAM at least.

[...snip...]

>I suggest Advanced Gravis to concentrate on making reliable driver
>on Win32 platforms rather than wasting their energe and time.

I think that the OS/2 driver is a definite must.  Warp (IMHO) is going to 
be a big seller, and a GUS driver for it can't be considered a waste of
time.

On another totally unrelated point, what kind of a platform do you expect
to be able to run Windows9x on with multimedia?  8Mb? NOT!   8-)

Fran...

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 21:47:38 +0000 (GMT)
From: Samuel Marshall <Samuel.Marshall@durham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #5

> From: Brandon Balliett <zero@ramp.com>
> Subject: a
> 
> Hi, I just bought a gus yesterday.. and well, I think it was probly the 
> best 120 bucks of I have spent in a LONG time.  It came with 256k.. and 

> little metal thingers (Oh yes.. I'm technical) were to wide for the 
> slot.  Now this didn't make sense.. the faq said I had the write model, 
> but they didn't fit.  Determined to pay my internet bill rather than 
> spend 30 bucks on DRAM, me and my friend BENT the leads inward.. and they 
> fit.  Seeing this could really screw something up.. i only popped in half 
> a meg.  Well.. it detected it, and EVERYTHING worked right.  So now I 
> have a whole meg.. anything I should be careful of?  Everything works out 
> all right.. but the chips wern't inserted quite right.  Oh, anyone know 

If you mean you had to bend the chip legs inwards, you always have to do 
this with new chips, I once upgraded 10 386's from 1Meg ram to 4 megs 
using about 20 chips each, and was really worried to start with about the 
way I was treating them, but it worked out fine... (oh yeah, i got one 
upside-down as well, and the computer just beeped when I turned it on, i 
switched off, found it, turned it right way up and it worked fine, 
resilient or what?)

> Seth Delackner  wrote:
> >>First, I'd like to hear something from Gravis about the new >>Megaem,os/2
> drivers,etc that were ALL due out last month, and >>whether or not they WILL
> be out this month.  If they are coming, >>could you please show us some
> f**king proof that you guys have >>something? Say, a public beta? If not,
> could you guys stop lying >>and tell us the truth?

please, be nice to them: at least they reply to messages (politely, even)...

> Subject: Drum Loops

> Drum Loops that I'm sampling.  Well, after an initial try with patch maker
> lite, i find out it doesn't support stereo (it prob also doesn't support 
> 16bit,

It does support 16-bit. The Gus does not support stereo samples though. 
(well, Windows midi drivers don't). You need to split the sample into two 
mono ones. Then make a separate patch for each one. Then in your midi 
file play the note on both patches at once. 

By the way, you're much better off with a direct cd-audio reader...

> > Subject: GUS / OS2 warp....
> 
> I suggest Advanced Gravis to concentrate on making reliable driver
> on Win32 platforms rather than wasting their energe and time.

Win32 platforms = NT. Chicago still uses the 3.1-style drivers, from what 
I've heard. (not that it wouldn't be a good idea to have nt drivers, 
they're bound to be needed some day)

[about digest subscribed to itself..]

> Also, why didn't the digest just fill up completely?  If the digest was 
> subscribed to itself, then all messages going to it would have bounced 
> back and forth in an infinte loop.

Does the time delay between sending and receiving email make a 
difference, though? It would need to be instant to get an infinite loop. 
I'd have thought this would happen:

i.e. sends out #1
	 receives #1 and posts it to digest.
	 sends out #2 including #1
	 receives #2 (inc #1) and posts it to digest
	 sends out #3 including #2 and #1

Sam

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Date: Sun, 04 Dec 94 14:39:44 -0800
From: drkszk@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #5

> I don't want to start OS wars here, but forget Warp, if have less than
> 8M bytes.  I have 386/25 with 8 M bytes, but its interactive response
	I don't mean to sound elitist, but just about everything these days
runs slow on a 386/25.  My friend who has one likes to joke that he found it
in a Cracker Jack box.  There are also optimizations that should be run if
you have 8 megs (disable system sounds, use FAT only, small disk cache, etc.)

> was so slow ( I mean when you move mouse to other windows and click buttons,
>  ..etc.) - and I was not even running any applications.
	Also keep in mind that the interface runs at a fairly low priority.
People who run OS/2 on 386s are generally looking for calculation speed and
multitasking, not a Word 6 platform.

> I suggest Advanced Gravis to concentrate on making reliable driver
> on Win32 platforms rather than wasting their energe and time.
	This is what I'm really disagreeing with.  Gravis has repeatedly
promised to deliver these drivers for two years, so their credibility is
riding on them.  OS/2 drivers are definitely more important than NT drivers,
and Win95 drivers won't be needed for another half year at least.  They 
certainly should write Win32 drivers, but first things first.
	You know, on Usenet the OS/2 users keep flaming the GUS and the GUS
users keep flaming OS/2.  I would think that the two groups would feel a
sort of kinship.

> ihm
Derek
drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu

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Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 16:31:00 -1320
From: david.wei@uniserve.com (David Wei)
Subject: GUS Daily Digest V17 #5
Message-ID: <2ad.305.47@uniserve.com>

> > I wanted to ask people out there using OS/2 WARP, how well does the
> > gus/games/
> > mod players work with it?  I've got a dos machine, but am thinking of
> > getting
> > warp (I have a 386-40 with 4mb ram)

> I don't want to start OS wars here, but forget Warp, if have
> less than
> 8M bytes.  I have 386/25 with 8 M bytes, but its interactive
> response
> was so slow ( I mean when you move mouse to other windows
> and click buttons,
>  ..etc.) - and I was not even running any applications.
> The response was always one step behined which was very annoying and
> gave me a feeling that I was running Windows/NT on PC/XT with 512K :).
> I also expected a lot from warp, but I was so disappointed and returned it
> to MicroCenter.
You are running it on a 368-25?!  You will need a 386-33/40 with 8MB or 
486-25+ with 4MB to run it properly, oh, you should try NT on your machine and 
see how it goes (it won't load at all =).

> I suggest Advanced Gravis to concentrate on making reliable driver
> on Win32 platforms rather than wasting their energe and time.
I TOTALLY disagree with you here, there are many OS/2 user like me out there, 
and OS/2 is so much more SUPERIOR than Windoze 3.1/4.0 if you do Multi-Task 
and run 32 bit programs.

And now, just a few word for Gravis, I *THINK* there might be a RAGE brock out 
if OS/2 user see Windoze 95/NT driver comes out earlier than OS/2 Drivers  =)

L8r




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david.wei@uniserve.com (David Wei)

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:42:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Sky Woo <swoo@rahul.net>
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #5

> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 08:59:22 -0700 (MST)
> From: Brandon Balliett <zero@ramp.com>
> Subject: a
> 
> eventually found them.  Just to make sure they were the right ones, I 
> checked the gus faq, and matched the chips EXACT model number with the 
> one in the faq.  Ok.. so I open up my computer and I plug one in, BUT the 
> little metal thingers (Oh yes.. I'm technical) were to wide for the 
> slot.  Now this didn't make sense.. the faq said I had the write model, 
> but they didn't fit.  Determined to pay my internet bill rather than 
> spend 30 bucks on DRAM, me and my friend BENT the leads inward.. and they 
> fit.  Seeing this could really screw something up.. i only popped in half 
> a meg.  Well.. it detected it, and EVERYTHING worked right.  So now I 
> have a whole meg.. anything I should be careful of?  Everything works out 
> all right.. but the chips wern't inserted quite right.  Oh, anyone know 
> what the 16-bit DMA's will do for me as opposed to the 8-bit ones?  
> Thanks alot..
	There's nothing wrong with bending the metal pins.  In fact I 
think your suppose to on all new DRAM chips.  I had to bend the pins on 
my DRAM to get it to fit in my GUS.  Bending the pins does not cripple 
the DRAM in any way as long as you don't bend it to the point of it 
coming loose.  The important thing here is that the electricity goes into 
the DRAM.  And if you have the pins aligned for it, there shouldn't be 
any problems.  Play some midi and mod files and run the GUSDRAM.EXE 
diagnostic.  If they work than there shouldn't be any problems.  As for 
the DRAMs not looking perfectly fit into the socket, I think your just 
paranoid, but if your positive they aren't aligned right, you might want 
to see if the chips are pressed in all the way.  And it doesn't sound like 
you inserted the DRAM upside down or else they would be really hot.  
Lastly, you only need 16bit DMA on sampling.  Playback of anything only 
needs 8bit bandwidths.

> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 18:55:51 -0500
> From: GravisTech@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Drivers,USNF,Flooding
> 
> The truth is we are working on both and although I do not know where you got
> the information that they where going to be ready last month, the fact is
> that the OS2 beta are on schedule and due to be released end of this month
> and Megaem well that one I don't know when. It is being worked on and many
> features being added, but quality software (drivers) does take time and we
> will not release any drivers before their time..
> 
> Thnx for the inquiry
> gravistech@aol.com
> Advanced Gravis Technology
	Actually, everybody who has been reading the digest got the 
information that the OS/2 drivers would be out by mid November and 
Protected Mode Megaem would come before Christmas.  This information came 
directly from one of Gravis' employees who posted to the digest.  I don't 
keep back issues of the digest so I can't quote, but I remember it fondly 
and am anticipating Gravis on keeping their word.  I don't remember which 
employee posted those dates which look overly optimistic right now but 
that Gravis employee did post from the America On-line account.

> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:30:57 +1100 (EST)
> From: adrianr@ecr.mu.oz.au
> Subject: Patch for Doom 2 yet?
> 
> Is the patch for DOOM 2 to fix the sound out yet??? I still havent played
> it because of the crappy echoy effects 
> 
> -- 
> Adrian Raiola  .     .         .         .            .     .        .       .
	There is DOOM II 1.7a if that's what your referring to.  DOOM 1.666 
always worked fine for me so I have no idea what the GUS problem was.  
Some people have said that the GUS problems go away with 1.7a.  Why don't 
you finger help@idsoftware.com and find out if you have the latest 
version.  They'd know before the digest does if a new version came out.

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:52:38 -0700 (MST)
From: Brandon Balliett <zero@ramp.com>
Subject: Gus disks - Oldies

The disks that came with my GUS are labeled v1.2  What are the advantages 
of getting the newer disks?  Please be specific, because reinstalling 
stuff is never fun.  Thanks alot.

The Countdown Begins Three, Two, One..   
		-Zer0 [Epinicion]
Trakkah, and PROUD GUS owner.. it's the card of the future.

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Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 00:29:38 -0600
From: ron.b@mail.utexas.edu (Ron Blancarte)
Subject: help

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:16:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "K.S. Holly" <u8843389@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA>
Subject: Indycar

Can someone please tell me what they are using to run Indycar. The sound 
I am getting is awful....

Thanks

Kevin

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 20:28:01 -0500
From: Bourbon <bourbon@cornholio.ius.indiana.edu>
Subject: Magic Carpet

hi there,

I don't know if this was already posted on the digest (it probably was) - 
but I can't seem to get MC to work properly with the GUS.  Although it 
uses the HMI drivers, the game doesn't come with the HMI GUS driver, so 
(I guess) native support is out of the question.  SBOS gives me FM only, 
with no sound effects.

Anybody got any idea?  If this was already dealt with on the digest feel 
free to email me directly.

Thanks

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:08:00 -0600
From: sglarson@students.wisc.edu (Shawn Larson)
Subject: Master of Magic by Microprose

Anyone have a tip for getting GUS sound for this game??? V1.1 worked with
Mega-Em, but V1.2 (which fixed some important bugs in the game) doesn't.

Thanks in advance,
***********************************************
"Never put off until tomorrow what you can ignore entirely"

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:26:02 -0600 (CST)
From: clarkb@netstar.com (Clark Bremer)
Subject: Re: Midisoft Recording session

> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 15:33:10 +0000
> From: Colin MacDonald <CMAC@skull.dcn.edinburgh.ac.uk>
> Subject: MidiSoft recording studio
> 
> Back when I got my GUS, sometime around the beginning of the year or 
> so, Midisoft Recording Studio was bundled with the card.  This was on 
> disks 2.06 I think.  Now, as updates came out I got them installed 
> them, made sure they worked, and wrote over the original disks with 
> the new installation stuff.  All is well.  After a reorganisation, 
> however, I no longer have the Midisoft stuff, and it is also not on 
> the disks.  In fact, it doesn't appear to be on any of the disk sets 
> I've downloaded from the GUS mirror site.  My current set is 3.53 I 
> think...
> 
> So, to get to the point, is this software still supposed to be 
> bundled with the card?  If so, how do I get a copy?  In fact, even if 
> it isn't, how do I get a copy?  Is it on the internet somewhere?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Colin MacDonald

That program is not shareware/public domain.  It's commercial software, and
Gravis worked out some kind of deal to distribute with their card.  Becuase
its commercial, they can't put it on the net.  If you erased every copy you
have, and didn't make a backup, and didn't back up your hard drive, then 
perhaps one could argue (but I won't) that you deserve to be in your present 
state, which is sol.  

Perhaps if you sent in a registration form or something you could 
convince the powers that be that you are a legitimate owner of the software
and they'll send you a replacement.  If not, then perhaps you can make 
a copy of the disks from another GUS owner.  CB.  

-- 
===========================================================================
		  _  _               Clark Bremer     clarkb@netstar.com
		 /  /_)              Software Engineer, NetStar Inc.
		 \_/__)              10250 Valley View Road  MPLS, MN 55344

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:50:28 -0700 (MST)
From: Ignatius Tam <tam@amisk.cs.ualberta.ca>
Subject: os/2 in gus and others...

Forwarded message:

ok, what did i do?  i mean "gus in os/2" ... geez, have to get some sleep.

> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 18:18:29 -0600 (CST)
> From: cosc19v2 <cosc19v2@Menudo.UH.EDU>
> Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #3
> 
> > Subject: GUS / OS2 warp....
> 
> > Greetings all,
> 
> > I wanted to ask people out there using OS/2 WARP, how well does the gus/games/
> > mod players work with it?  I've got a dos machine, but am thinking of getting
> > warp (I have a 386-40 with 4mb ram) 
> 
> I don't want to start OS wars here, but forget Warp, if have less than
> 8M bytes.  I have 386/25 with 8 M bytes, but its interactive response
> was so slow ( I mean when you move mouse to other windows and click buttons,
>  ..etc.) - and I was not even running any applications.

ok, i didn't have warp installed (yet) but i've to throw my 0.02 in it...
did you installed the bonus pack?  if you do, then you're out of luck,
the IBM Works seems to slow things down quite a lot as reported in
comp.os.os2.misc.  By not installing it, Warp runs really good (and why
don't you first consult those guys in the newsgroup before returning it?)

as for the original q., it depends.  I used some modplayers under a dos box,
some may recognize the card, some not.  If the player can run, then it's
really fun to listen to music while you're doing something else (except for
some task-switching burst that slows the music down  a little bit).  I've used
a native os/2 mod player(can't remember) and it uses MMPM, while it's not
bad it eats up quite a lot of resource. Quite frankly, dos players are
not bad (it's also true for games).  And one more advice, don't install
system sounds in MMPM if you have only 4mb, the system will swap like hell
to search for memory for the sound. Ask those people in comp.os.os2.games,
they will be happy to answer your questions.

> I suggest Advanced Gravis to concentrate on making reliable driver
> on Win32 platforms rather than wasting their energe and time.

os/2 gus drivers had been vaporware for a long time, don't you see the
demand here?  

> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 17:18:12 -0800 (PST)
> From: Stephen Thomas Brindle <sbrindle@netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #4
> 
> Also, why didn't the digest just fill up completely?  If the digest was 
> subscribed to itself, then all messages going to it would have bounced 
> back and forth in an infinte loop.

Yeah, i have the same q. and how do the digest subscribe to itself?

> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:30:57 +1100 (EST)
> From: adrianr@ecr.mu.oz.au
> Subject: Patch for Doom 2 yet?
> 
> Is the patch for DOOM 2 to fix the sound out yet??? I still havent played
> it because of the crappy echoy effects 

get the fix in epas: /pub/pc/ultrasound/submit/doom2p16.zip, be sure to
leave at least 15megs hd space and install a disk cache
(or wait, wait, wait....)

> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 20:53:32 -0500 (EST)
> From: Maillet Martin <mailletm@ERE.UMontreal.CA>
> Subject: UnderKillingMoon & KQ7
> 
> Hi, I just want to know what is the GUS support for Under the Killong
> Moon (I know that gus is support, but how good is the support?, those
> it need fine tune, patch, etc....)

it has gus support but they can't fix a problem so no matter how much
memory you have the game only use 256k of it's memory. The game provides
a separate bat file to run the game with gus.

-iGnatius

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 19:33:27 GMT
From: "S.Hill1" <S.Hill1@student.lut.ac.uk>
Subject: OS2 Warp

Just thought I'd test out this Email wizard thing ...
Technology out dates me everytime ...

Just a quick note to say ... OS/2 Warp works fine on a 486DX2 66
But can anyone tell me if I can get sound from my GUS in Windows sessions ??

MeLoN (ex-iRC due to it being banned from the Uni)
Join iRC and get on #gus it's worth it >:-)

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:50:46 EST
From: "Burns Fisher, VMS Development  05-Dec-1994 1447" <fisher@skylab.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Pins on GUS Memory DIPs

>eventually found them.  Just to make sure they were the right ones, I 
>checked the gus faq, and matched the chips EXACT model number with the 
>one in the faq.  Ok.. so I open up my computer and I plug one in, BUT the 
>little metal thingers (Oh yes.. I'm technical) were to wide for the 
>slot.  Now this didn't make sense.. the faq said I had the write model, 
								right (I assume)
>but they didn't fit.  Determined to pay my internet bill rather than 
>spend 30 bucks on DRAM, me and my friend BENT the leads inward.. and they
			my friend and I 
>fit.  Seeing this could really screw something up.. i only popped in half 
>a meg.  Well.. it detected it, and EVERYTHING worked right.  So now I 
>have a whole meg.. anything I should be careful of?  Everything works out 
>all right.. but the chips wern't inserted quite right.

Actually, what you did was just fine.  DIPs (the chips with a line of pins
along each of two opposite sides) nearly always have their pins spread out a 
bit wider than the holes they are inserted into.  I believe this is so that the 
springiness of the pins will hold them in the holes of a PC board while they 
are being soldered.  It's a bit of a pain when a human is inserting them into a 
socket, but as you discovered, it's pretty easy by just compressing the pins 
with your fingers.

>  Oh, anyone know 
>what the 16-bit DMA's will do for me as opposed to the 8-bit ones?  

It makes no FUNCTIONAL difference.  The same data gets transferred.  It is just 
not transferred as efficiently, since only 8 bits at a time are being moved.  
You sometimes need to choose 8-bit DMA on a GUS because there are some 
motherboards (see the FAQ) which have a defective chip that does not do 16-bit 
transfers quite correctly.  The rule of thumb is:  If 16-bit transfers work, 
use them.  If not, either replace your motherboard or use 8-bit.

Burns

P.S.  Sorry for the grammar/spelling corrections.  I can't quite get out of 
"Dad" mode.

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:46:22 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mr Jaimie Vandenbergh <ch11jv@surrey.ac.uk>
Subject: Rebel Assault

Well, along with Matt Bacchand (I think) a few digest back, I can't get 
anything decent out of Rebel Assult either. On the No Sound settings, 
it's fine, runs nicely though rather quietly. On the GUS, it 
i)  does the loading countdown at half the speed
ii)     does everything else at ~third the speed
iii)    crashes on the Lucasfilm-log-on-the-death-star title screen, just 
	before the pretty intro starts
iv) plays noise EXTREMELY BADLY! Audio effects are mostly reduced to 
	repeat noises, rather than continuous sounds. 

I borrowed a friends' SB (8 bit) and it worked tolerably - still the 
occasional sound repeat, like an audio CD looping, but otherwise great. 
Since the game is mixing two sample channels through the CPU on the fly, 
and it doesn't seem to have a slower frame rate than the game without 
sound at all, I don't know what's happening. It works exactly the same on 
the SB owners box, too, when I took my CDROM over to his. He's on a 
dx266/8meg, I'm 396sx25/4meg. His was smoother, visually, but just the 
same aurally (sp?) as mine on the SB. I didn't try the GUS in his.

	Anybody? Help?

	Jaimie

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:49:30 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mr Jaimie Vandenbergh <ch11jv@surrey.ac.uk>
Subject: Rebel Assault - ps. And Sam&Max CD

Oh, I'm running MS 6.0, without any smartdrv or anything. Even on naked 
boot apart from cd drivers and GUS settings RA doesn't work properly.

While I'm here, has there been a Sam and Max (CD) update to allow Gravis 
use? It's another protected mode program for the CD version, so no emus. 
Irritating. 

	Jaimie

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:59:32 -0500
From: Leung Cheung <lcheung@uncc.edu>
Subject: USNF and Megaem

USNF and Megaem works fine, I just use sb clone and Sound Cavas as my 
configuration.  my setting for ultrasnd=220,7,7,11,5,
select SB clone as 220,irq 5, dma1, just use the default on the Sound Cavas.

l8r

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:56:24 +0800 (HKT)
From: Chan Tai Lun Alan <c3316682@pistis.comp01.hkbu.edu.hk>
Subject: Versions of GUS?!
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.941206174648.22479A-100000@chara>

Hi, everyone, I'm going to buy a new GUS but I'm confused about the 
latest version of GUS in the market. How could I know the GUS I buy is 
the latest version? Is there any information on the box that it could 
tell what version it is? I've seen a box of GUS that there is a Logitech 
logo at the corner of the box back. It has some words like 'with 
affiliate ' above the logo. The label on the box says it's version 2.0.
Can anyone help me about these queries? Thankyou!

Alan 
HK Baptist University

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:36:35 +0200
From: timo@hieti.pp.fi (Timo Hietikko)
Subject: Windows drivers + Myst

I have tried to update my windows drivers (to V5.46). After that the sounds 
of Myst game is not OK. Some sound are missing totally and some are beebs. I 
have also tried to use some older drivers (for example V5.40), but the 
resalt is same. When I use my old driver (which came with my installation 
disk set V2.05)
Sounds in Myst are OK. The game does not use midi, so it should not be 
problem about patyches. Is it possible to get myst work with new Windows 
drivers or must I use old ones ?

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From: (null)

>Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 01:36:21 EDT
>From: AdvGravis@aol.com
>Subject: Re: #1(2) GUS Daily Digest V0 #2
>
>The OS/2 drivers will be released this year (hopefully be end of November). 
>
>Protected mode MegaEm will be released around the same time (before the
>middle of December).

That's where.  From Advanced Gravis. (Yes, I know it says "hopefully")

Phil
--
Phil Longstaff, Motorola ISG, Mississauga Ontario

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