Ultrasound Daily Digest     Wed,  4 Nov 92       Volume 1 : Issue   9 

Today's Topics:
						 A few minor problems
							 cadwdemo.zip
							   cakewalk
			  Can Gravis be trusted for future support?
							 card-review 
			  Digest Admin: FTP site -- new requirement
							   Flame on
					  Gravis, are you listening?
							gravis-talks 
							GUS Shipments
					   gUS shipping in the US?
						   Memory upgrade 
							  MID files.
						   Windows drivers

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 10:12:44 CST
From: Bill Lockett <wrl7611@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Message-Id: <9211031612.AA04949@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Subject: A few minor problems
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

I recieved my GUS last Monday from EA.  I guess I was one of the early buyers
I am having problems with Earl Weavers Baseball II and playmidi.  I can play
The demos, but I tried playing the La primavera demo that I got from this 
list, and it sends me the message  load patch failed Marcato -7.  I tried to edit the
default.cfg file but I guess I really don't know what to do to it.  I did get
it to finally play the song, but it sounded horrible with the wrong instruments

rl Weaver Baseball uses SBOS -o2, great I get sound and music from my GUS.
Then I throw the first pitch.  Strike comes blaring out of the PC speaker
and no more sound the rest of the game, except for the crappy PC speaker.

Any information on how to fix these problems, and maybe some tutorial
on using playmidi and midi files would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill

"Friend don't let friends use Macintoshes!"  

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Date: Tue,  3 Nov 1992 09:06:58 -0500 (EST)
From: "Adam K. Rixey" <ar2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-Id: <QexcS2_00WB_9=WFc1@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: cadwdemo.zip
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

	I've gotten the cadwdemo.zip that was mentioned in yesterday's
newsletter, but I can't get any sound out of it.  I've set it up for the
Multimedia extensions as the MIDI port, and when I choose one of the
setup options it lists the Ultrasound as output, but I can't hear
anything - do I need to connect some sort of MIDI instrument to the port
to be able to hear music?  
	Speaking of MIDI files, only about half of the ones I have play any
sound.  Is there a program out there better than Windows' own Media
Player that will play all my MIDI files?  [Most of them came from
archive.cs.ruu.nl]

	- AkR
	 - ar2w@andrew.cmu.edu

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Date: 3 Nov 92 10:15 -0800
From: Thomas Wong <twong@civil.ubc.ca>
Message-Id: <2362*twong@civil.ubc.ca>
Subject: cakewalk
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

Hello all. Unforntunately, I mistakenly deleted my copy of cakewalk.
And I can't find the message which told us where the ftp site is at.
Can someone let me know, or just post a reply on the mailing list
in case anyone else wants to know. Thanks in advance.

Thomas.

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 10:09:51 -0500 (EST)
From: The Mad Scribbler <Morgan_Stair@dl5000.bc.edu>
Message-Id: <Pine.3.03.9211031049.B17160-b100000@dlws9.bc.edu>
Subject: Can Gravis be trusted for future support?
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

> Also, Gravis should indeed pay for both their "predictions" and their
> attitude about said "predictions." They just don't seem to get it; they
> can't play fast and loose with their customers and expect to not suffer the
> consequences. OS/2 drivers? Who cares, we might do 'em. Developer's kits;
> well, 300 other folks don't have a problem with that nondisclosure. Yea,
> we'll ship "next week." :-( Come on now...
> 
> Now, I'm sure the board sounds bloody awesome, but for most folks it's
> still vapourware! I for one and extremely anger and frustrated over this
> whole thing, Gravis's excuses and justifications notwithstanding. I want
> their attitude "corrected" and if they won't take the hints, let them
> suffer the consequences...
> 
> DDA

I'm sorry to say I agree.  I've been on back order since September and if
I'd been told the Ultrasound was to be released in December, I would
definately have waited.  Instead, however, I was told it would be out in
two weeks, next week, next week, next monday, and now another 10 days. 

If I now heard that a great new card was soon to be released, I'd still
wait for it, but Gravis has lost my confidence.  I'd really love to have a
great new sound card, but how can I trust this company to give me future
support?  It's an honest question.  I don't believe for a second that it's
going to be in my hands next week! 

Is Gravis a company I want to rely on for future support?

I know Gravis is on the mailing list.  Could you please respond to this
and tell me why I haven't received my soundcard so I can trust your
company enough to do business with you? 

-Morgan

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* BC / Institute for Space Research   *
* (617)552-8783                       *
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 10:06:00 +0000 
From: "Rob (R.P.) Cheetham" <cheetham@bnr.ca>
Message-Id: <"28601 Tue Nov 3 11:09:02 1992"@bnr.ca> 
Subject: card-review 
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>



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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 16:35:54 MST
From: ddebry@itchy (Dave DeBry)
Message-Id: <9211032335.AA04335@itchy>
Subject: Digest Admin: FTP site -- new requirement
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

	When we actually do find an ftp site for this mailing list, I
think we'll have to put all the back issues of the digest up.  I've
been getting a lot of requests for these.

BTW #1: Yes, there is someone who is looking for an FTP site for us.

BTW #2: Please don't request back issues from me right now.  I'm busy
	with other stuff.  When an FTP site is found, you can get them
	there.  For now, anything important enough to be reprinted is
	generally up for request on the request server.  (If there's
	something you'd like to see there, let me know.)

BTW #3: No, there never was a digest #1.  The counter started off
	wrong, and since it's incremental, it won't get fixed until
	I up the volume number from 1 to 2.  I'll probably do that
	on January 1.  (There were, however, several digests mailed
	out before I started numbering from 2.  So, when the FTP
	site goes up, I'll probably just pack all those into one
	file and call it Digest #1.)


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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 13:28:09 EST
From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion)
Message-Id: <9211031828.AA03574@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Flame on
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

Misinformation is the biggest plague of Internet... Now as the almost
ex-president would say: read my lips!

> From: "What the World needs now..." <dantonio@magick.tay2.dec.com>
> Subject: EA Delivery 

> Sorry, I REALLY have to disagree with this attitude. In my opinion, EA
> should indeed have nothing to do with Gravis ever again. Consider that EA
> has taken an immense amount of flak/heat for something over which they have
> no control, namely Gravis's delivery fantasies. EA is a business and their

If EA was not lying then that would be fine, but if they kept on OFFICIAL
releases date then people wouldn't expect it next day. Since august
distributors had 2 release dates, the second beeing the good one (in Canada).
In the states, no fixed date was quoted.

Now, beeing in the telecom business, i know that sometimes people LIE to you
in the hope that you'll wait and still do business with them. It can be the
manufacturers, the distributors or the resellers. Most of the times, resellers
don't even check with distributors and quote anything that looks reasonnable.
If they do check, distributors probably won't check it with the manufacturer.
They will quote something that looks reasponnable again. That is why we have
had almost everyday on the calendar as release dates. Someone even quoted that
it would be released on the x of whatmonth, and another person replied that
it was a SUNDAY!

Gravis, did misinform people on their 800 and their sales service. But after
a chat with Brad Craig, everything started to fall into place.

EA also misinformed people. I didn't call EA to ask why...

So, who's to blame? EA is as guilty as Gravis, so stop this non productive
flame.

> Also, Gravis should indeed pay for both their "predictions" and their
> attitude about said "predictions." They just don't seem to get it; they
> can't play fast and loose with their customers and expect to not suffer the

Ok, now read what i just typed.

> consequences. OS/2 drivers? Who cares, we might do 'em. Developer's kits;

What's the INSTALLED (not sold) base of OS/2? In our company three person
bought OS/2 but removed it from their HD since most of our applications had
problems (Excel 4.0 if i remember correctly). There is not enough applications
for OS/2 at the moment to make a big installed base, which would warrant an
OS/2 driver. This is not a flame on OS/2. Of course, as OS/2 2.1 with multimedia
is almost a reality, Gravis should look at doing an OS/2 driver a bit more
seriously. I would expect one in february or march from either Gravis or a
third party... Speaking of which, there was someone working on a OS/2 driver.
Who was it?

> well, 300 other folks don't have a problem with that nondisclosure. Yea,

This is over. There is absolutely no problem with the non-disclosure. There
will be a UNIX SOURCE DRIVER. I have posted here and on comp.soundcard.whatever
about the agreement i finally concluded with Gravis (Brad Craig).

There can be an amendment if you find something unacceptable in the non-disclo
sure form. And after looking at it, i had a concern only for the Unix driver
(to protect my but), so i wrote an ammendment, send it to Gravis, and they
found that acceptable. So there.
If any one has a problem with the non disclosure, email me stating where you
find it abusive or whatever...

I find myself repeating continuously the same thing... Is there someone who
read COMPLETELY my emails? If not, i'm probably wasting my time.

> Now, I'm sure the board sounds bloody awesome, but for most folks it's
> still vapourware! I for one and extremely anger and frustrated over this
> whole thing, Gravis's excuses and justifications notwithstanding. I want
> their attitude "corrected" and if they won't take the hints, let them
> suffer the consequences...

What attitude? The problem is with misinformation going at the speed of light
on this network...

*flame off*

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> From: dchien@boole.seas.ucla.edu (David H. Chien)
> Subject: The Multisound and Adlib/SB software & cards
> 
>        A Sierra game often is compatible with the Adlib, SB, and Roland 
>          sound cards.  Many times, other programs are compatible with one
>          or more of these sound cards.
> 
>          Is the Multisound compatible with these programs?  

Are you talking of the Turtle beach multisound? Then you are on the wrong
mailing list.

>            y - Which one(s)? and how compatible?
>            n - Can it be made compatible?  Does it coexist with the above
>                cards inside a PC?

If you are talking about the Ultrasound, then yes it is compatible with
Adlib and SB. Not with Roland. It doesn't seem to coexist with a SB. Cant
say why...(even without sbos, the sb and adlib software emulator).

BTW, for everybody: SBOS is for Sound Board operating system not sound blaster
operating system.

Ciao,
-- 
Francois Dion
	'  _   _   _ 
 CISM (_) (_)  _) FM       Montreal , Canada       Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA
	  (_)  / . _)             10000 Watts          Telephone no: (514) 343-7511
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Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-...

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 8:52:10 MST
From: Stuart Yoshida <yoshida@elektra.fc.hp.com>
Message-Id: <9211031552.AA06511@elektra.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Gravis, are you listening?
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

  Before I begin, I'd like to say that I think Gravis has shown a
  willingness to listen to their customers and share information about
  the GUS (up to the point of disclosing proprietary information about
  their implementation of wavetable synthesis).  It also seems that they
  are making a solid effort to give decent customer support for the GUS.
  I have personally had a good experience with Gravis' customer support
  (and I don't even own one yet!), and I hope they will continue to
  provide the same level of customer support in the future.  I'm also
  very looking forward to receiving my GUS from Telemart.  But--

  I also agree with "DDA" (dantonio@magick.tay2.dec.com) that Gravis
  needs to be more upfront with us about delivery dates.  Gravis MUST
  give us realistic schedules.  The company I work for has experienced
  the negative impact of failing to deliver a product at the promised
  time, and I think Gravis might feel that same negative impact if they
  pull this stunt with any future card(s).  If you're going to be late,
  then give us the bad news right away.  BE HONEST!  Don't kid
  yourselves (and the customers) by setting unattainable delivery dates.
  And PLEASE DON'T LEAD US ON!  It only disappoints and frustrates
  customers like me.

  Take a hint from Borland and look at the way they dealt with the
  schedule slip for Quattro Pro for Windows.  That's a good example of
  how a company should deal with a product being late.

  I hope that DDA writes to Chris Yuzik (yuzik@sfu.ca), the Gravis
  representative on Internet, to express any concerns DDA has.  I hope
  EVERYONE who feels this way sends a letter to Gravis.  No need to be
  nasty; just let 'em know how you feel about this issue.

  I'm certain that the GUS is a fantastic card for the money.  I'm also
  certain that I'll get hours (days, weekends, months :-) of enjoyment
  out of it -- once I receive it, that is.  But if Gravis wants to keep
  me buying cards from them in the future, then they should take heed:
  IF YOU'RE GOING TO SLIP A SCHEDULE, BE HONEST WITH YOURSELVES AND THE
  CUSTOMERS!

  P.S.  I've sent a copy of this letter to Chris Yuzik.

--

  Stuart Yoshida

Internet: yoshida@elektra.fc.hp.com
   Voice: (303) 229-2324

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 10:08:00 +0000 
From: "Rob (R.P.) Cheetham" <cheetham@bnr.ca>
Message-Id: <"28674 Tue Nov 3 11:09:23 1992"@bnr.ca> 
Subject: gravis-talks 
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>



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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 19:57:25 PST
From: yuzik@sfu.ca
Message-Id: <9211040357.AA24869@fraser.sfu.ca>
Subject: GUS Shipments
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

Hi Everyone!

I have just had a meeting with upper-management this evening regarding
shipments, especially to EA.

We (Gravis) will be sending out the completion to EA's order in the
latter part of this week, and EA should receive it in the first couple
of days of next week.  Hopefully, all who ordered from EA will receive
their cards shortly thereafter.

On behalf of Gravis, I would like to sincerely apologize for the delay
in shipping GUS to Electronic Arts, as well as our distributors and
retailers.  We at no time intended to mislead anyone with regards to
shipping dates.  Our production is being stepped up in an attempt to
meet current demand for GUS.


Sincerely,


Chris Yuzik
chris_yuzik@sfu.ca

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 08:04:58 EST
From: Hard On The Beaver <jabussey@ualr.edu>
Message-Id: <009630D7.1DFCB140.3671@UALR.EDU>
Subject: gUS shipping in the US?
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

	Does anyone know of the GUS has shipped in the US yet? If not, how
legal would it be for a canadian to purchase one and send it to a friend?


Thanks,

Jacque Andre' Bussey
jabussey@ualr.edu

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 15:35:00 +0000 
From: "Nhut (N.) Nguyen" <nnhut@bnr.ca>
Message-Id: <"19003 Tue Nov 3 15:36:05 1992"@bnr.ca> 
Subject: Memory upgrade 
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

Hello everybody,

I picked up my GUS for 189$CAN+taxes [15% more )-:]
and it sounds great!

However, 256K of memory seems not enough for complex patches.
So I am thinking of upgrading it. Now comes the question:

It is possible to upgrade it to say 512K or 768K but not 1Meg?

Please post any info. here. Thanks.
Cheers,

Nhut.
A new GUS owner.

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 12:23:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Paulin <8900795@clement.dsd.ES.COM>
Message-Id: <Pine.3.02.9211031214.A8352-b100000@clement>
Subject: MID files.
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

Hi,

	I noticed by using 'midi-demo' that I could receive a MID file for
my GUS.  I tried that MID file but I received a 'unable to load marcato -
7' and my marcato patch is in my current directory.
	Anyways, I have a collection of three MID files.  They're not
outstandings but they're not bad.  I have another collection, on the other
hand, that has two very clear, outstanding, REAL stereo MID files that
sound just awesome on the Gravis.  I was thinking, since you have a demo
available on-line, if you would accept my MID files and put them available
for the mailing list members.  We need support and I'm giving my share. :)
So, what do you say?

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 16:03:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: Christopher Hogg <chrishog@cogs.sussex.ac.uk>
Message-Id: <2428.9211031603@tsuna.ctn.cogs.susx.ac.uk>
Subject: Windows drivers
To: Ultrasound Daily Digest <ultrasound@dsd.es.com>

I have reasently discovered that the set of windows drivers included with my
GUS are supporting only a limited sub set of what the card is capable of.
According to the driver it can record and playback 11kHz and 22kHz
mono samples
only. this is even worse than the Sound Blaster Pro (urghh !).

Does anyone know if there are newer drivers available or in development.

Also is there any kind of technical notes / development kit available.

Cheers Chris

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