GUS Daily Digest            Thu, 20 Oct 94  9:37 PST     Volume 15: Issue  13 

Today's Topics:
				 128k of GUS Newsletter?! Not funny!
								2PAT14
		   Any sources that carry UltraSound Experience CD?
					  Different Ultrasound Init?
			Errors installing Windows GUS under OS/2 2.11
						   GM; OS/2 driver
						   Gravis in Europe
						   Gravis Midi Box
					 GUS "beep" fix confirmation
				  GUS Daily Digest V15 #12 (3 msgs)
				GUS MAX, Panasonic 562b CD-ROM & Linux
						   GUS MAX to 1 meg
		   Latest "Manley" OS/2 drivers at hobbes.nmsu.edu
						 Mail Delivery Status
					  patch caching sample code
							   Playmidi
				   Registration card problems again
						  Registration Cards
				  Unsubscribe..... are you mental???
							Unsubscribing
						 which type of DRAM?

Standard Info:
	- Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest.
	- Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ.

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 19:05:21 MDT
From: dchow@stu.athabascau.ca (Donald Chow)
Subject: Re: 128k of GUS Newsletter?! Not funny!

> 
> 
> GUS Daily Digest            Wed, 19 Oct 94  9:37 PST     Volume 15: Issue  12 
> 
> Today's Topics:
>                  128k of GUS Newsletter?! Not funny!
>                            Announcing 2PAT
>                         Another .MID question
>       Can I get the Gravis Piano teaching system software only ?
>                         chirping from gus0043
>                            GM; OS/2 driver
>                         Gravis Keyboard offer
>                      Gravis Phoenix Flight system
>                   GUS, CD-ROM and Video for Windows
>                   GUS Daily Digest V15 #11 (2 msgs)
>                           GUS Faq in Digest?
>                            GUS FAQ Updates?
>        Missing ultrinit.sys in installation disk version 3.56?
>                                the mail
>                       The UltraSound Experience
>                     Where is UltraSound Experience
>                     Windows '95 Drivers and app's
> 
> Standard Info:
>   - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest.
>   - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: 18 Oct 94 16:42:16 EDT
> From: Jonathan Clark <100410.3324@compuserve.com>
> Subject: 128k of GUS Newsletter?! Not funny!
> Message-ID: <941018204216_100410.3324_BHA69-1@CompuServe.COM>
> 
> OK. Lets just get one thing straight here.
> 
> (**FLAME ON**)
> 
> Some of us actually have to PAY for INTERNET mail. That means the GUS Newsletter
> COSTS me on average $1.2 each day.
> 
> Now - tonight I was in a rush, so I just did a mass download of mail without
> checking the sizes (or the costs). Extremely bad move.
> 
> What did I find? A mail message so big that CIM for OS/2 thought it best to
> treat it as a file rather than a mail message. Why? 'cos the damn thing was 128k
> long!!!
> 
> Now look, guys. If you think we might want the FAQ, then tell us where to find
> it - DON'T RAM IT DOWN OUR THROATS!
> 
> (**FLAME OFF**)
> 
> I won't make that mistake again!
> 
>  --------------------------------------
> Jonathan Clark - Belfast
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: 19 Oct 94 09:16:00 MET
> From: "VISX80::GRECNER" <GRECNER%VISX80.decnet@musx53.zfe.siemens.de>
> Subject: Re: Announcing 2PAT
> 
> >Just wanted to say this, hope I've not wasted too much bandwidth,
> 
> No problem, keep on going. You're doing a great job on 2PAT. I still have
> to try it ;-)
> 
>               Martin Grecner
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 16:54:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: sabe@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Shige Abe)
> Subject: Another .MID question
> 
> Can you find out how many voices a .MID uses?
> 
> To play .s3ms what would you recommend I try out?  Currently, I'm
> using Metal in DOS and GMOD in Linux.

  I'd suggest getting Inertia Player ver1.1 or 1.2.  Version 1.2 seems to make
some mods fade in and out for some reason.  But it looks better, and has more
functions, like deleting mods, and plays a bit better.  IP plays MTMs, S3M, 
669s and just about all other generic mod formats I beleive.  


  Inertia Player is being included in the next(current?) distro disks from
Gravis instead of GMOD or GUSMOD which are _very_ limited in capabilites...


-Don

-- 
Donald Chow                       | X-Phile & GATB
dchow@a.stu.athabascau.ca         | Call (202) 555-6431 for a 'Spooky' time

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:55 GMT+0100
From: RTHI@btma74.se.bel.alcatel.be
Subject: 2PAT14

Hi,

I installed win32s and 2pat14. The program work very good but sometimes
when I click on Help, windows help starts but cannot find the 2pat14.hlp
file. Any idea what can cause this problem?

BTW, 2pat14.hlp IS in the directory of 2pat14.

Thanks

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 16:31:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: George!!! <gmontem@mercury.sfsu.edu>
Subject: Any sources that carry UltraSound Experience CD?

Hi,

Are there any magazines out there (besides that magazine in the UK area) 
that are planning to carry or are already carrying the UltraSound 
Experience CD?  If not, then what was the name of the mail-order company 
that has the CD in stock? (And what is its address and phone number?)

-George

<EOT>

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:26:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: ST4SI@Jetson.UH.EDU
Subject: Different Ultrasound Init?

I have just install the gus software (3.56)... and I have notice that 
the Config.sys and the Autoexec.bat load up different version of 
Gus...

For example... Ultrinit.sys (in config.sys) loads up Ultrasound
Init. v. 2.23

and The Ultrinit.exe (in autoexec.bat) loads up Ultrasound Init
v 2.25...
Is this ok?

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:09:33 -0600 (MDT)
From: dingo@usa.net (Dingo)
Subject: Errors installing Windows GUS under OS/2 2.11

Under OS/2 2.11, with the MMOS/2 1.1 installed, I'm getting errors when 
it tries to re-configure the CONTROL.INI and the other Windows INI files. 
The message there is an error in the script, although I don't see any 
script file on the disk, or in the ULTRASND directory. The line numbers 
it refers to are something like 1024 1094, 1099, etc. and it says the 
script line it's trying to execute (I believe) is "READ <filename> QUIETLY"


Anyone else seen this problem???

Thanks!

-- Dingo - He who ventures where no wolf has been before!

For your information,          |  Internet:    dingo@cscns.com
this is NOT reality!           |  MCI Mail:    dbartmess
I don't care what they say...  |  

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 19:27:36 MDT
From: dchow@stu.athabascau.ca (Donald Chow)
Subject: Re: GM; OS/2 driver

> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:23:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Phat Hong Tran <ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>
> Subject: GM; OS/2 driver
> 
> I'm afraid that I was negligent in my depiction of the timeline of the
> OS/2 driver development in that above quote.  When I came to work for
> Gravis in May, Forte did have a rudimentary OS/2 driver which I believe
> was also making sound, but didn't have higher features like patch 
> caching.  I don't know how much time was spent getting the driver to
> that stage.  Around mid-summer, Gravis sent one of their own programmers
> to Forte to prime him for assisting in the OS/2 driver development as 
> Forte were busy on higher-priority projects for Gravis and AMD.
> Since all this happened over what I characterize as my summer job, I 
> erred in collapsing the timeline into "this past summer".  The OS/2
> driver was in development before the summer, and before May in fact.

  Speaking of which, what is this TopSecret project Gravis and AMD are working
on?  Developing a new GF2 maybe? :)

  How about some hints on whta going to planned for the new GF2? 
I for one might like to see: Echo and Reverb, maybe semi-resident sound
patches: (stored ON the soundcard to cut reload time.  The patches would
be changable, sorta like flash ram maybe?) More memory is too obvious to
mention right? ;)

  Hmmn, what else, how about the ability to play all avaible channels at 
maximum rate?  Like a 64+ channel Symphony at 48Khz! Yeah!

  A some better patches too, the violin just doesnt' sound like a real violin
to me.... But that only subjective I guess..

  And include some stuff in the box too, let's face it, everyone doesn't like
spending extra $$ for a new mike, a stereo wire, or speakers, maybe put it
all together in CD bundle?

> 
> So you received good information about the core of the drivers looking
> good in May.  However, whoever said that the OS/2 driver was in the 
> final stages of development was being way too optimistic.
> 
> Sorry for the confusion.
> 
> Phat.
> 

-- 
Donald Chow                       | X-Phile & GATB
dchow@a.stu.athabascau.ca         | Call (202) 555-6431 for a 'Spooky' time
								  | Don on IGS

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 18:53:26 GMT
From: nguyen@eerie.fr (NGUYEN Francois                   )
Subject: Gravis in Europe

for the info of Europeans on the list, Logitech is no longer
importing Gravis stuff in Europe, as they have their own range of
sound card (Yuck!, SB clones) and joysticks.

In France, la Banque Magnetique, who was the official reseller seems
to carry on selling GUSes as the MAX is available from them.
I don't have more info, but logitech told me they were not 
importing gus in france, and the uk
I guess it's the same for switzerland.
Please, could GRAVIS offical answer and tell us what is really
happening about their stuff in Europe?

Tar'ra

							 \|/
							(o o)
		   _____________oOO__(_)__OOo_______________
				Francois Nguyen: nguyen@eerie.fr
				 er424@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
			   nguyen@axposf.pa.dec.com
 

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 00:16:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Peter C. Chien Jr." <pchienjr@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Gravis Midi Box

I found a mail-order company (advertising on the bAck of Sierra's 
Interaction magazine) that sells the Gravis MIDI adaptor for $36 + $5 
dollars S&H, totalling $41.  I am wondering, has anyone seen a lower 
mail-order price?  Or does anyone know what price Gravis is selling it 
for?  I know there are many alternative MIDI adaptors that cost less, but 
I'd rather use Gravis' as it matches so aesthetically well with my 
UltraSound, but especially I've heard that it can still use a Y-adaptor 
for 2 joysticks when connected.  Thanks, people.  

Peter

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:53:02 EDT
From: "Burns Fisher, VMS Engineering  20-Oct-1994 0952" <fisher@skylab.enet.dec.com>
Subject: GUS "beep" fix confirmation

Following the advice of a previous note, I went into the Windows mixer and 
raised the WAV volume to 100%.  This fixed the problem.  (I had only noticed 
it on the "Ta-daaaah!" as I started Windows).

Burns

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:34 -0400
From: DANTONIO@PROCESS.COM (Momentary Language, Sexual Situations)
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V15 #12

>I'm afraid that I was negligent in my depiction of the timeline of the
>OS/2 driver development in that above quote.  When I came to work for
>Gravis in May, Forte did have a rudimentary OS/2 driver which I believe
>was also making sound, but didn't have higher features like patch 
>caching.  I don't know how much time was spent getting the driver to
>that stage.  Around mid-summer, Gravis sent one of their own programmers
>to Forte to prime him for assisting in the OS/2 driver development as 
>Forte were busy on higher-priority projects for Gravis and AMD.
>Since all this happened over what I characterize as my summer job, I 
>erred in collapsing the timeline into "this past summer".  The OS/2
>driver was in development before the summer, and before May in fact.

I assume you are talking about this past May, whereas we've been promised
OS/2 drivers for several YEARS. Patch caching is very minor feature to me,
being alot more interested in .WAV files. Yet I've seen nothing remotely
suggesting a public beta of these mythical drivers.

>So you received good information about the core of the drivers looking
>good in May.  However, whoever said that the OS/2 driver was in the 
>final stages of development was being way too optimistic.

So why didn't/don't they just license Robert Manley's drivers and get it over
with??

DDA

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:43 -0400
From: DANTONIO@PROCESS.COM (Momentary Language, Sexual Situations)
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V15 #12

>Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 12:52:13 EDT
>From: "Burns Fisher, VMS Engineering  18-Oct-1994 1252" 
><fisher@skylab.enet.dec.com>
>Subject: Re: Windows '95 Drivers and app's

>>Hey all, I have a question.  Is Gravis going to write Windows '95 drivers
>>and app's to take advantage of the new system?  It would be stupid to be
>>using the nasty windows drivers with Win'95.  Granted the OS/2 drivers have
>>been a long time in the coming, but you would think that Microsoft would
>>have some pull too.  Then again Win '95 may be just as big a flop as 
>>windows3.1

>Hmmm.  Maybe the rest of us who have been silently wishing the OS/2 folks 
>would stop complaining will change places with them in a couple (well 
>several) months, huh?

And what would you have us do, Burns? Trust in the benevolent wisdom of
Gravis? I think not. Everyone always says how there aren't that many folks
running OS/2 so we have to be vocal just to get noticed.

Should I pounce on the (few) folks who have asked for NT drivers? When Windows
95 (96, 97, whatever :-) is released, should I send your mail back to the digest
to get you to "stop complaining"?

>Burns

DDA

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 15:45:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phat Hong Tran <ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V15 #12

On Wed, 19 Oct -1, GUS Server wrote:

> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 16:54:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: sabe@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Shige Abe)
> Subject: Another .MID question
> 
> > 
> > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:05:13 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Phat Hong Tran <ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>
> > Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V15 #10
> > 
> > is the -x<nn> switch, where <nn> is a number from 14 to 32.  This
> > switch sets the number of voices PlayMIDI will use to play a .mid.
> > The higher the number of voices used, the lower the overall sampling
> > rate, but the greater the polyphony (the number of notes that can
> > sound at once).
> 
> Can you find out how many voices a .MID uses?

No, not without playing the entire mid with whatever patches it requires.
The number of voices required depends on how long a patch takes to 
decay and how quickly notes are played in succession.  There are many MIDI
files that require more voices than even 32, but will sound quite okay with
that number of or fewer voices.

> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 15:08:39 +0100 (MET)
> From: ralam@cs.vu.nl
> Subject: Missing ultrinit.sys in installation disk version 3.56?
> 
> Hi, a couple of days ago I ftp-ed the new installation disks and at home I
> installed them. But I noticed that there wasn't an ultrinit.sys among
> the installed files (only ultrinit.exe). And no, there wasn't a modified

You don't need ultrinit.sys to use the GUS.  

Phat.

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:05:33 BST
From: Mark Bullen <Mark.Bullen@src.bae.co.uk>
Subject: GUS MAX, Panasonic 562b CD-ROM & Linux

Has anybody managed to get the above combination of a GUS MAX (with
MultiCD interface) and a Panasonic 562b CD-ROM drive working with
Linux? 

I'm using Linux Slackware 2.0 (tried the 1.0.9 and 1.1.18 kernals)
that I got on a Cover CD-ROM with the September Issue of PC-Plus, but
without success :-{ I've tried using the "sbpcd=0x340,SoundBlaster"
kernal flag, but no dice... One for the GUS FAQ ?

I suppose this makes a change from all those "how do I get game XXXX
working with my GUS" questions ;-)

Mark.

P.S. I've order the latest InfoMagic Linux Developers CD-ROM which has
the "newer" kernals (1.1.58 I think), so perhaps that'll work?

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 17:14:08 FWT
From: tblanchot@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: GUS MAX to 1 meg

Excuse me if this subject already has been discussed before, but I
was out of the music scene (and of the digest) for a few months..
A friend just got an Ultrasound MAX, and I was surprised to see that
the 512Kb base ram is now contained in a single chip.
There is an empty support for apparently the same chip, and besides
this there are 4 places for "44256 size" IC's. Is it possible to solder
44256's in these 4 places to go to 1MB or does he have to find the
same 512Kb chip to put in the support?

***********************************************************************
* Thierry BLANCHOT tblanchot@vnet.ibm.com     MUSIC POWER BBS SysOp   *
*    GUS support, Modules, Midifiles, Modcharts Distribution site     *
*    Shareware Zone - Dos - Win - OS/2 - Huge DOOM add-ons choice|    *
* CALL (+33)88.83.63.59 - France - 2400 -> ZyXEL 19k2  -  2:325/42    *
***********************************************************************

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:14:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: rjm@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca
Subject: Latest "Manley" OS/2 drivers at hobbes.nmsu.edu

A new version of my Gravis Ultrasound (GUS) drivers for OS/2 MMPM has been
uploaded to hobbes.nmsu.edu - ultra05e.zip is currently in os2/incoming but
will eventually be moved to os2/2_1/drivers.

Robert.
-- 
# Robert J. Manley,  rjm@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca      #
# NTT Systems Inc., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA      #
# OS/2:OSs :: 92,93 Blue Jays:MLB :: Canada:World #

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Date: 19 Oct 1994 15:05:15 GMT
From: "Central Postmaster" <POSTMSTR@MAIL.LOC.GOV>
Subject: Mail Delivery Status

 ***** Error in Mail Delivery *****
 
CANCELLED
 
 Recipients:
 
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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 17:08:42 FWT
From: tblanchot@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: patch caching sample code

Hi everybody| (back on the digest I had to leave)
I have two friends who are writing midi-related shareware programs
for Windows. I have told them to make them patch-caching aware to
support the Gus, but they both answered me the same thing:
"- OK, but can you give me some sample of code that uses patch
caching"...
I've looked in the sdk but found nothing related to patch caching.
Where could I find these samples of code? It would be really
nice if their programs could work with the Gus. The first one is
a midi improvisation program, very good| The first version already
has been released but it does not work with the Gus unless you
preload the GM patches in 8 bits...
The other program is the future multimedia Windows terminal program
for the PowerBBS BBS software.

***********************************************************************
* Thierry BLANCHOT tblanchot@vnet.ibm.com     MUSIC POWER BBS SysOp   *
*    GUS support, Modules, Midifiles, Modcharts Distribution site     *
*    Shareware Zone - Dos - Win - OS/2 - Huge DOOM add-ons choice|    *
* CALL (+33)88.83.63.59 - France - 2400 -> ZyXEL 19k2  -  2:325/42    *
***********************************************************************

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 14:36:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: "MR George M." <gmontem@mercury.sfsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Playmidi

It would be nice if Advanced Gravis release a new version of Playmidi 
where it scans the whole MIDI file and checks the most voices ever used 
simultaneously.  Then, it initializes the UltraSound using that many voices.

While we wait for a new Playmidi, someone can code a program to scan the 
MIDI file and then run playmidi -x??, filling the ?? with the maximum 
number of voices played at once.

-George

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 05:53:35 +0100
From: A.PAUW@ELSEVIER.nl
Subject: Registration card problems again

Some people wrote about the registration card problems. That is,
NOT hearing anything anymore about it, no anouncements, no
nothing. Some people from Hungary, some from Norway. Well, I
live in Holland and indeed: NO NOTHING. I also send the card to
Logitech SA.

Does Logitech serve as a black hole or what?

(No I am not angry, just glad that the digest is back on line or
in other words: WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT IT)

Smile,
Albert Pauw
a.pauw@elsevier.nl

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:31:32 -0700
From: jsbernstein@ucdavis.edu (Jeffrey Bernstein)
Subject: Registration Cards

>>     My problem is about the registration card. I live in Hungary, I 
>> bought my GUS in the spring in a local computer store, I sent my 
>> registration card to the Logitech SA, to Switzerland in April, but up 
>> till now there is no answer at all. :( A big flat dump SILENCE! For 
>-----[CUT]-----
>
>Here in Norway we have the same problem. Me and three of my friend bought
>a gus about 8 months ago. We sendt in the cards, and waited, and waited -
>nothing. If it wasn't for the fact that I had internet access we would
>still be using disk set v3.10 :(. This is not good, sharpen up Advanced
>Gravis.

Hey, you don't have to be in Europe to be having this kind of problem.  I'm
in California and sent my card in this past December (maybe January) and
never heard a peep from Gravis.  What's the problem Gravis?
--

												Jeff Bernstein
												jsbernstein@ucdavis.edu

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 10:46:43 PDT
From: "Brian Hayes, Sierra Systems" <BAHAYES@BCSC02.GOV.BC.CA>
Subject: Unsubscribe..... are you mental???

In the last digest, this guy writes....
>From: Bryon Thur <bhthur@watarts.uwaterloo.ca>
>Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V15 #11
>
>UNSUBSCRIBE. UNSUBSCRIBE. UNSUBSCRIBE.
>
>How many times do I have to send you this message?
>
<rant mode on>
All I can say is.... read the god-damn note.... notice the address below which
apears at the end of EVERY digest. Try the one for (un)subscribe, or the human
one as a 'last resort'. Stop wasting everyone else's time! Honestly... How
many times do we all have to READ your message?
******** sample of end of digest ***********************************
To post to tomorrow's digest:             <gus-general@mail.orst.edu>
To (un)subscribe or get help:     <gus-general-request@mail.orst.edu>
To contact a human (last resort):   <gus-general-owner@mail.orst.edu>
It never ceases to amaze me how people have absolutly no clue as to waht to
do on a mailing list. The least you can do is READ THE WHOLE THING!

<rant mode off>
Brian

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 11:24:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Michael Jude Coyne <umcoyne0@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Unsubscribing

Further to my slight flaming yesterday about long messages in the digest,
poeple who wish to UNSUBSCRIBE, read the footer at the bottom of the
message.  It does no good telling everyone who reads the digest that you
want to unsubscribe.  Send a message to gus-sdk-request instead...


Michael

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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 10:22:47 EDT
From: "Henrique 'Snoopy' Vianna" <HVIANNA@BRUFPEL.BITNET>
Subject: Re: which type of DRAM?

 
> Date: 16 Oct 1994 00:00:00 +0000
> From: tom@cat.ping.de (Thomas Adams)
> Subject: which type of DRAM?
>
> If I rip six 514256 off my old video board could I use them to upgrade my
> GUS to 1 MB?
>
> -tom
 
  Yep, that's what I did and it worked fine for me. BTW, my memories are
100ns, I guess Gravis recommends 80ns or faster, but as I said they're
working just fine. (And my blown video card won't miss them! :) )
 
  Regards,
	 Snoopy.

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